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Created by: MTLaveragefan

Team: 2024-25 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 3, 2024

Published: Jan. 3, 2024

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

IMO, habs should tank this year and next to acquire more top 6 talent.

But realistically... this Habs team, once healthy, might become too good too fast to actually tank.

So speeding up the rebuild might be the only option. AKA - trading future picks for now-prospects.

HERE ARE THE YOUNG STUDS (20 to 25 yo) I WOULD TARGET: Fans of the mentionned teams : what would be the price to acquire these players?

ASSETS AVAILABLE FROM THE HABS POV:

$$$ = expensive
$$ = valuable
$ = expendable

DMAN:

Matheson $$$
Savard $
Harris $
Xhekaj $$
Kovacevic $$
Barron $$
Struble $$
Engstrom $$
Mailloux $$

FORWARD:

Anderson $$
Dvorak $
Gallagher $
Armia $
Newhook $$
Ylonen $
Farrell $$
Kidney $
Evans $

PICKS:

2024 1st round pick (MTL) $$$
2025 1st round pick (MTL) $$$
2025 1st round pick (CGY) $$$
2026 1st round pick (MTL) $$

all second rounders : $$

TAXI SQUAD = WAIVER

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST	YEARS	CAP HIT
Engström, Adam	3	$925,000
Hutson, Lane	3	$925,000
Kapanen, Oliver	3	$925,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Barron, Justin	4	$2,100,000
Suzuki, Ryan	2	$800,000
Ylönen, Jesse	2	$800,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Lindstrom, Cayden		3	$950,000

Trades

MTL

2024 3rd round pick (CAR)

Additional Details:

ANY TEAM - just want to show the picks the habs will likely work with after trading Monahan and Allen

Allen for a 3rd round pick;

CAR

Allen, Jake

MTL

Suzuki, Ryan [RFA Rights]
2024 2nd round pick (PHI)

Additional Details:

Lafrenière, Alexis

NYR

WHAT WOULD BE THE PRICE (now)?

10.

MTL

Podkolzin, Vasily [RFA Rights]

VAN

WHAT WOULD BE THE PRICE?

Retained Salary Transactions

Jeff Petry: $2,343,750 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
25	$87,500,000	$72,852,917	$1,022,500	$4,910,000	$14,647,083

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caufield, Cole $7,850,000$7,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 7	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 6	Slafkovsky, Juraj $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) RW, LW RFA - 1
Newhook, Alex $2,900,000$2,900,000 C, LW RFA - 3	Dach, Kirby $3,362,500$3,362,500 C, RW RFA - 2
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW RFA - 1	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C M-NTC UFA - 1	Ylönen, Jesse $800,000$800,000 RW, LW RFA
Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 3	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 1	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3
Söderblom, Elmer $878,333$878,333 LW, C RFA - 1	Stankoven, Logan $814,167$814,167 ($82,500$82K) C, RW RFA - 2	Holtz, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 1
Lafrenière, Alexis $2,325,000$2,325,000 LW, RW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Barron, Justin $2,100,000$2,100,000 RD RFA	Montembeault, Samuel $3,150,000$3,150,000 G UFA - 3
Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Kovacevic, Johnathan $766,667$766,667 RD UFA - 1	Primeau, Cayden $890,000$890,000 G RFA - 1
Hutson, Lane $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 2	Struble, Jayden $867,500$867,500 ($57,500$58K) LD RFA - 1
Harris, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD/RD RFA - 1	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 2

Taxi Squad
Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 ($2,250,000$2M$2,250,000$2M) RW, LW UFA - 1
Pezzetta, Michael $812,500$812,500 ($0$0$0$0) LW, RW UFA - 1

Jan. 3 at 4:32 p.m.

MTLaveragefan

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ASSETS AVAILABLE FROM THE HABS POV:

$$$ = expensive
$$ = valuable
$ = expendable

DMAN:

Matheson $$$
Savard $
Harris $
Xhekaj $$
Kovacevic $$
Barron $$
Struble $$
Engstrom $$
Mailloux $$

FORWARD:

Anderson $$
Dvorak $
Gallagher $
Armia $
Newhook $$
Ylonen $
Farrell $$
Kidney $
Evans $

PICKS:

2024 1st round pick (MTL) $$$
2025 1st round pick (MTL) $$$
2025 1st round pick (CGY) $$$
2026 1st round pick (MTL) $$

all second rounders : $$

Jan. 3 at 4:33 p.m.

ecupirate07

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Jarvis isn’t available.

Canes aren’t interested in glassman.

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Jan. 3 at 4:34 p.m.

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Jarvis isn’t available.

Canes aren’t interested in glassman.

It's an ANY TEAM trade - didn't want to bait a random team for nothing.

Ok, what about Drury?

Jan. 3 at 4:35 p.m.

evelutions2

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Canes aren’t going to consider moving Jarvis. As for Drury, the Habs don’t have anything that would really be interesting enough to move on from Drury. Obviously he’ll be moved for the right price, just don’t think that the Habs have anything the Canes want.

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Jan. 3 at 4:37 p.m.

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Quoting: evelutions2

In terms of available roster players for a playoff push, I agree that habs don't have any valuable assets except Monahan - but in this scenario, it's an offseason trade.

Jan. 3 at 4:37 p.m.

Terrifiedofeveryone

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There probably isn’t a Lafreniere to MTL deal that makes sense for the Rangers. They’re gearing for a playoff run and Laf is cheap and fits well as a top-six RW who produces at 5v5. Getting rid of him to fill a different need would be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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Jan. 3 at 4:39 p.m.

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Quoting: Terrifiedofeveryone

It would be an offseason trade. not a TD trade.

Jan. 3 at 4:40 p.m.

HypotheticalImpossibility

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Soderblom isn't available. His upside is far more valuable to the Wings than his trade value.
Berggren is a little more difficult to gauge, but I can't imagine he'd go for anything other than a similar position C/RHD prospect, or as a sweetener in a larger package. Mid to late round picks just aren't appealing for him.

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Jan. 3 at 4:41 p.m.

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Quoting: HypotheticalImpossibility

Those are likely early picks for the habs.

Jan. 3 at 4:42 p.m.

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Quoting: MTLaveragefan

It would be an offseason trade. not a TD trade.

The answer remains the same. Laf is signed for another year at the same cost, and his next extension won’t break the bank. The Habs just don’t have the kind of pieces the Rangers need which would outweigh the cost of losing Laf. The Rangers have two years left on Panarin’s contract and will do their best to make a deep run in that time.

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Jan. 3 at 4:45 p.m.

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Quoting: MTLaveragefan

Those are likely early picks for the habs.

Early in the round, but it's not like the Habs would be offering 1st/2nd/3rd round picks for either player. Neither have that kind of trade value, but they still have upside.

Jan. 3 at 4:49 p.m.

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oilers fan here... for holloway, its at least a valuable top 6 RW. alternatively, a 2nd and an A- prospect should do

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Jan. 3 at 4:50 p.m.

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There are about two maybe three players on the Habs that Canes might be willing to move assets for... Monahan is not one of them.

Jan. 3 at 4:55 p.m.

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Quoting: MTLaveragefan

In terms of available roster players for a playoff push, I agree that habs don't have any valuable assets except Monahan - but in this scenario, it's an offseason trade.

The problem then becomes, Canes aren’t likely to move Drury for picks, unless a team is drastically overpaying, i.e a 1st round pick. So more likely than not, if Drury is moved, it’s in a package for a C upgrade that fits the system, of which Montreal only has Suzuki and Dvorak that fit the criteria, and I don’t think they move Suzuki, whereas Dvorak isn’t enough of an upgrade to pull the trigger.

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Jan. 3 at 5:22 p.m.

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Quoting: Yasher97

oilers fan here... for holloway, its at least a valuable top 6 RW. alternatively, a 2nd and an A- prospect should do

Bro.. Holloway himself is a A- prospect at best. I doubt you get all that package - unless you consider a guy like Monahan top 6 and Kidney a A- prospect because you are not getting a Dach, Caufield, Slaf or Newhook for Holloway.

Jan. 3 at 5:23 p.m.

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Quoting: evelutions2

I agree that the Canes and Habs are not ideal trade partners for the reasons stated above. Likely a team who failed a first rebuild and is trying once more. Or a team committing to a larger rebuild like the hawks did.

Jan. 3 at 6:12 p.m.

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I don’t see how any of the players that you propose that Montreal picks up make a significant enough difference for Montreal in the way they need a top end talent. The Habs don’t score enough. I would rather take the pick and hope it turns out to be better than any of the players you have listed.

Hopefully get Demidov, Lindstrom or Eiserman this year in the draft to go on the 2nd line with Dach and then (MAYBE) trade picks in 2025 and 2026 for someone like Konecny, Batherson or Barzal (if any of them are available) to go with Dach and Demidov/Eiserman/Lindstrom.
I really don’t agree with speeding up the rebuild to only get to being a playoff team but not a contender.

Just my thoughts

Jan. 3 at 6:13 p.m.

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Most are not available. Cheap high potential players are essential to a contending team.

The only exception might be Holloway because EDM doesnt have the time to wait for him to start contributing. Since EDM doesnt have any cap space to take any salary back it would have to be futures. A similar return to Newhook should be enough (low 1st+high 2nd).

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Jan. 3 at 6:21 p.m.

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Quoting: HypotheticalImpossibility

Well put and I agree.

Jan. 3 at 6:30 p.m.

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Edited Jan. 3 at 7:13 p.m.

Quoting: Yasher97

oilers fan here... for holloway, its at least a valuable top 6 RW. alternatively, a 2nd and an A- prospect should do

That's pretty unrealistic since you don't even have capspace for a top 6 RW.

That been said, a A- prospect+2nd is probably the price to dump Campbell's buyout caphit.

Campbell+Holloway for FC would be such a Went Wughes move, à la Monahan if you will.

Jan. 3 at 8:06 p.m.

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Podkolzin been great in the AHL and will get every opportunity in the NHL next year. Management is also very high on him and won’t let him go for cheap. In all likelihood he won’t get moved since the package required to convince management to move him would be way more than his value. Given he was drafted 10th overall, Canucks would probably want a 1st + another asset back for him minimum.

Jan. 3 at 8:45 p.m.

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Quoting: MTLaveragefan

In terms of available roster players for a playoff push, I agree that habs don't have any valuable assets except Monahan - but in this scenario, it's an offseason trade.

If Lane Hutson make the jump at the end of the season, Matheson will become a trade assets and is value might never be higher. Right now they could get a hell of a return. I know
It won’t be a popular move but if we look at the depth chart long term, Matheson doesn’t have a spot. I wouldn’t be shock if he get traded if the price is right. That mean a high end forward prospect, with elite potential.

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Jan. 4 at 9:38 a.m.

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That would be great

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