I dont know what's funnier, thinking that's good value for tavares, thinking Lindholm and Tanev are taking those deals, paying Martin Jones and Ned that much or calling any line featuring max domi as a C as a 'legit checking line"

John Tavares isn't waiving for that dump.

You're 3 years and $4,300,000 short on Elias Lindholm.

For that low offer Brett Pesce would remain in Carolina. Not sign in high tax Toronto.

Bribing?

I'd really like to know how the Leafs would go about doing this.

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1. getting rid of an 11M 35 year old centre who skates in cement IS getting value for Tavares. His absence is the gift.
2. Tanev is 34 years old, relax. no-one is paying him more than 2-2.5
3. Lindholm probably needs more money agreed, but bro has 30 pts this year (also relax again on overvaluing Lindholm)
4. Martin jones has proven to be a solid backup or 3rd stringer (he's saved the leafs season)
5. Nedelkovic would be a backup idc, pick any name out of a hat tbh

thanks for coming out

Ah yes, 30 pt Lindholm is in line for 9x7 for sure.
Also when you play in Canada you get paid in USD (shocked face). wow imagine that!!

"Thanks for coming out."

Really? 🙄

I bet you're fun at party's. 😬

Leafs cup window really opens in 2 years can’t and won’t win with Tavares.

USD has nothing to do with it, You still pay Canadian taxes on those USD. That's why most Americans don't want to play in Canada due to the high taxes especially in Ontario.

bingo. it was either the first 2 years of JT, or after his contract expires. the guy looks like he can't skate anymore it's crazy how the wheels fell off

the other two guys on his line are pretty good checkers. that's kinda where it's coming from.

getting paid in USD (exchange rate is 1.35 CAD) in other words, your dollar is significantly stronger when you're buying everything in your daily life in CAD. Also, Massachusetts, California, Seattle, NY teams all pay similar taxes to Canada but DON'T get the benefit of being paid in a currency stronger than the currency of the place they live.

Can't see JT waiving for Chicago. But assuming he does, Hawks don't make that trade. Take out Murphy and the picks going back to Toronto and Hawks might think about it. Leafs pay for that $11m in cap space.

0 chance Tavares waives and even if he did leafs would decline this trade

Why do folks think players, especially high paid ones pay personal taxes on all there in Canada? Just not true.

I'm confused by what you're trying to say; do you mind elaborating? It seems like you're suggesting NHL players don't pay tax in Canada?

Getting players to waive NMC and NTC really isn’t as hard as people on here make it seem. GM’s don’t do it usually out of respect for the player but all it takes is 4 simple words: “we don’t want you” .. most players don’t want to be on a team that don’t want them. It’s not that hard - what’s harder is moving out a $11M cap hit

The leafs are never gonna ask him to waive

If it were that easy players with NTC/NMC would be moved much more often.

But they aren't. 🙄

Yes, they pay some taxes by why do think they pay full personal income rates on their current salaries. Funny, never hear about players complain about taxes after signing or being traded to the Raptors/Blue Jays, but for some reason it's a big thing with the tax experts on CapFriendly.

Because they do. Income tax is paid based on where a player plays each game. So for any player, they take the total salary earned, divided by the games they play, and they pay taxes at the state & federal or province & federal where they are signed for HALF of the income they earn, while the other half of income tax is paid individually to the place they earn it. For example; a Blackhawk will pay half of their income tax to illinois& Federal and the other half to every place they play (41 games roughly). So divide the 41 games against each place they play such as 2 games in Arizona and thus pay arizone income+Federal for those 2 games.

In other words, every player pays income taxes everywhere there is a NHL stadium, BUT half the tax burden is their home state or province. And no, there is zero way the players get around this for salary generated by playing games regardless of where they live or what myths are out there; the NHL withholds the taxes period...their paychecks reflect the withholdings based on games where they are played. It's a NA rule enforced for all sports be it the NBA, MLB or NHL. So yes, being signed to a team in California or Canada and those players do indeed pay more income taxes than a player signed to Florida because 41 games or more are played in high tax territories.

Sorry, you are may be quoting American tax law....not Canadian tax law. Entertainers including hockey players can shelter much of their income as it is expected they have a short life span of making big $$$$. Plus in Canada, where you earn your income isn't that important. It's where you "reside"

Are you referring to a RCA through a Canada-based bank to decrease the overall impact of tax payments long-term? Or do you mean just based on income taxes federally and provincially (plus city where applicable)?

For their salaries, they pay full taxes as I noted in my comment above. The only income a player makes that isn't taxed in this matter is from endorsement or appearances. With income generated by endorsements or appearances, the athlete will often times setup a LLC or S corp in a low tax jurisdiction such as Florida or setup permanent residence there. However, that more often than not is a small percentage of their total income. There is simply no getting around the way their salary generated from their contract with the team they play for is taxed as the league oversees the income tax deduction with-holdings and takes the money out of their paycheck, just like the player association dues are automatically deducted from their paycheck.

I'm saying Canadian players can put much of their income in a trust, grow that trust, and only take money out after they retire.
I know of one 12 year NHLer from Toronto who says he never touched one cent of his NHL career during his NHL career. Lived off NHL and other endorsements and appearances....and this was while being married with three kids.
Don't know of any Canadian city that has city income tax.

That's not entirely true about the part where you reside. Matthews, let's say "resides" in Arizona. 100% fact, he is paying canadian taxes as is every athlete that plays in canada based on time there. This is complicated and much more complicated in Canada because it's about as clear as mud there versus the US. However, make no mistake, the NHL and team withhold and then it's up to the individual and their tax attorney (a must and a big cost to the player) how far they want to test the laws which in my experience in Canada, as said earlier, isn't as clear. Generally speaking, a player playing for a Canadian team (not an entertainer doing a couple shows in Canada), will carry a higher income tax burden on "salary' regardless if they "reside" in Florida or the Cayman Islands than a player playing in most US states with the exception of California and maybe NY.

Here's some good insight for you to scratch the surface...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxnotes/2022/06/22/how-canada-taxes-pro-athletes/?sh=4147550d4157

That is why you will see players sign for slightly less when they sign with teams in Florida or Vegas as an example versus a more generous offer by the Leafs as an example. It's one of many considerations a player and their agent make when going testing the free market.