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Created by: Anus_McLeod

Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 2, 2024

Published: Feb. 2, 2024

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

First trade comes from @SMH. I wish you the best in your attempt to get another first for RyJo at the next TDL!

Second trade is a variation on a trade from @Hammerwise. I removed Johansen since he is gone in the first trade and added a third coming back to Colorado as a result. If (and I know it's a big if) Philly is willing to move on from Frost, I think this is a decent return.

Third trade is mine. As mentioned many times, SJ has only one retention slot left, so moving Kahkonen at full salary, even if the pick is a round or so later, might be pretty desirable for them.

Trades

COL

Evans, Jake

MTL

Johansen, Ryan
2026 2nd round pick (COL)

COL

Frost, Morgan
2024 3rd round pick (PHI)

PHI

Behrens, Sean [Reserve List]
2024 1st round pick (COL)

COL

Kähkönen, Kaapo

SJS

Prosvetov, Ivan
2024 4th round pick (COL)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$82,850,000	$637,500	$0	$650,000

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Drouin, Jonathan $825,000$825,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	MacKinnon, Nathan $12,600,000$12,600,000 C NMC UFA - 8	Rantanen, Mikko $9,250,000$9,250,000 RW, C M-NTC UFA - 2
Lehkonen, Artturi $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW NTC UFA - 4	Frost, Morgan $2,100,000$2,100,000 C RFA - 2	Nichushkin, Valeri $6,125,000$6,125,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 7
Wood, Miles $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW UFA - 6	Colton, Ross $4,000,000$4,000,000 C, LW UFA - 4	O'Connor, Logan $1,050,000$1,050,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Parise, Zach $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 1	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 2	Cogliano, Andrew $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 4	Makar, Cale $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD UFA - 4	Georgiev, Alexandar $3,400,000$3,400,000 G UFA - 2
Toews, Devon $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD UFA - 1	Manson, Josh $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD NTC UFA - 3	Kähkönen, Kaapo $2,750,000$2,750,000 G UFA - 1
Byram, Bowen $3,850,000$3,850,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Johnson, Jack $775,000$775,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Jones, Caleb $775,000$775,000 LD/RD UFA - 1		Landeskog, Gabriel $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 6
MacDermid, Kurtis $987,500$987,500 LD/RD, LW UFA - 1		Francouz, Pavel $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 1
Olofsson, Fredrik $775,000$775,000 C, LW UFA - 1

Feb. 2 at 1:54 p.m.

What_Are_you_Drouin

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I think the Habs decline, this trade is too good for us, we're SuckinForMacklin mode now, Jake Evans as our 2nd C is perfect

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Feb. 2 at 1:54 p.m.

JeffGorton

Jeff Gorton

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it would have to be more than a 2nd to eat 2 years of Johansen

Feb. 2 at 1:57 p.m.

ht42

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I like the trade proposal with MTL

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Feb. 2 at 1:58 p.m.

johum7

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frost is likely not moving without an extraordinary package

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Feb. 2 at 2:00 p.m.

CoachJoseph

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Quoting: johum7

frost is likely not moving without an extraordinary package

Byram for Frost? Straight up! And I'm a huge Bo Byram fan so this would break my heart a little.

Feb. 2 at 2:02 p.m.

sharksdoee

sharks88

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If SJ doesn't plan on re-signing KK then sure that's a good deal.

If no one wants that deal for 1.5 years of RJ @ 4m then I'm sure the sharks would take him on for that 2nd.

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Feb. 2 at 2:02 p.m.

johum7

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Quoting: CoachJoseph

Byram for Frost? Straight up! And I'm a huge Bo Byram fan so this would break my heart a little.

I love Byram, but given Flyers need down the middle I don't see it happening

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Feb. 2 at 2:03 p.m.

Xqb15a

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Skip Evans trade but I’d do the rest

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Feb. 2 at 2:05 p.m.

SharkTank

Tank it baby

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Now every available player will be worth a 1st. 😬

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Feb. 2 at 2:06 p.m.

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Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: CoachJoseph

Byram for Frost? Straight up! And I'm a huge Bo Byram fan so this would break my heart a little.

I wouldn't do that. The idea is to keep everyone (except RyJo) but also add. One of the appeals with Frost is his affordable contract.

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Feb. 2 at 2:06 p.m.

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UpsideDownQue

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I think you can dump Johansen and find a better fit at 4C for cheaper than a 2nd

I like the Frost trade and the Kahkonen one is good too

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Feb. 2 at 2:06 p.m.

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SMH

Mr.

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Give me credit for the idea

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Feb. 2 at 2:07 p.m.

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Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: SMH

Give me credit for the idea

I did in the description!!!

Feb. 2 at 2:09 p.m.

#14

Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: UpsideDownQue

I think you can dump Johansen and find a better fit at 4C for cheaper than a 2nd

I like the Frost trade and the Kahkonen one is good too

Idk, maybe. I'd be happy if that were the case.

I think Evans would be a good 4C. Maybe they have to trade him again after the year to keep the band together, but I think it will be doable.

Feb. 2 at 2:10 p.m.

#15

SMH

Mr.

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

I did in the description!!!

Im kidding, i haven't seen this idea before so I'm proud of it

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Feb. 2 at 2:28 p.m.

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ColonelX

Evans truther

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Quoting: JeffGorton

it would have to be more than a 2nd to eat 2 years of Johansen

It's only one year and half of his salary is retained by Nashville so he only costs 4M.

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Feb. 2 at 2:38 p.m.

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Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: ColonelX

It's only one year and half of his salary is retained by Nashville so he only costs 4M.

Yup, 50% retention gets him to 2M. Some other guy who made right around 2M just got traded for a first. That would be best case scenario. A more reasonable scenario is an additional 2nd or 3rd, and at worst you get a functional but overpaid player for only one more year.

Feb. 2 at 2:56 p.m.

#18

F50marco

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I like the Habs deal. I would do that. I think the Frost deal is a little pricey. Not sure he's the right guy for you guys right now. SJ deal is about right.

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Feb. 2 at 3:02 p.m.

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JeffGorton

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Quoting: ColonelX

It's only one year and half of his salary is retained by Nashville so he only costs 4M.

Yeah 4m is a lot for a pretty bad player. 18 points in 49 games is bad. Thats a cap dump of at least 2nd and a 3rd. Then you have to pay for Evans which is probably a 3rd or 4th. Habs dont really need 3rds or 4th rounders so if you made it 2 2nds with Johansen or a 1st if the Habs add a 3rd

Feb. 2 at 3:12 p.m.

#20

p1015983

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A second round pick is not enough to take on Johansen's contract. Habs got a 1st to take Monahan. Johansen's contract is worse.

Feb. 2 at 3:25 p.m.

#21

Anus_McLeod

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Quoting: p1015983

A second round pick is not enough to take on Johansen's contract. Habs got a 1st to take Monahan. Johansen's contract is worse.

You may be forgetting just how bad Monahan's contract really was. $6.375M for 23 points in 65 games. RyJo is $4M for 18 points in 49 games. Pretty much a wash on scoring but over 2M less for Johansen.

Edit: Or maybe you're forgetting that Nashville is paying half his salary.

Feb. 2 at 4:43 p.m.

#22

MeetYourMakar

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Quoting: CoachJoseph

Byram for Frost? Straight up! And I'm a huge Bo Byram fan so this would break my heart a little.

if they didnt do Bo for Gauthier, they aint 1 for 1 trading him for Frost.

Feb. 2 at 5:32 p.m.

#23

ColonelX

Evans truther

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Quoting: JeffGorton

Very true, I was just pointing out your error.

Feb. 3 at 2:03 p.m.

#24

CoachJoseph

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Quoting: MeetYourMakar

if they didnt do Bo for Gauthier, they aint 1 for 1 trading him for Frost.

Are you saying that PHI offered Gauthier for Byram, and COL said No????

I don't see COL being interested in giving up a roster player (while going for another Cup run), for a prospect that might not even play this year.
I can see a roster player for a roster player though. I think Frost for Byram is a win-win.

Feb. 3 at 2:42 p.m.

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MeetYourMakar

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Quoting: CoachJoseph

Yes, allegedly COL told Philly they would have to add more if they wanted Byram

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