I don't think the upgrades are nearly as big as you think.

I think we downgrade while giving up two firsts so uhh yeah

you think ceci pickard and vinnie are better than allen kovacevic and savard?

As a Habs fan, I would be THRILLED if that trade happened.
As a neutrl observer however, this likely doesn't happen.

Ceci doesn't have negative value, Savard is worth a 2nd + 3rd ish and Ceci is worth a 2nd IMO so Desharnais offsets that difference. Kovacevic is worth like a 3rd maybe a 2nd so maybe you get a 1st for him + Allen. So you are about a 1st off

How in the world is ceci worth a 2nd he has 13 points in 45 games and is poor defensively not to mention hes making 3.25 mil for the next two seasons and desharnais is basically worth nothing. I agree with what you said about kovacevic being worth a 2nd or a third and I think allen is worth a second but hes retained at 50% for 2 years which increases his value a lot and id say savard is worth a second and a third especially for a poor defensive team like edmonton who is looking to make a run. that means montreal would be trading what is effectively a first, 2 seconds and 2 thirds for a prospect whos probably worth about a third, ceci who I still believe has negative value and two late firsts

Ceci isn't as bad as you seem to make him out to be, he is basically a less physical Chiarot. I know a lot of people don't like chiarot but they are both still NHL caliber D men. Also a lot of fan bases say the same thing about Savard,so there is that too. Aside from Petry's second trade my values of our players (that have been traded) are pretty close with the exception of Toffoli who got significantly more than I assumed

How is Edmonton paying 2 1sts to downgrade the defense on the top and bottom pairing wtf is this lmao nice troll post

You have no idea what ur talking about lmao it’s kinda funny that you think Edmonton is a poor defensive team when it’s literally a top 10 D core this year so ur just clueless idk what else to say

People out here treating Ceci like he's the same player he was in OTT.

savard has the same point production as ceci in half the games is better defensively. No team in the league would trade edmonton a 2nd to take on ceci's contract I have a hard time believing any team would even take him for free

Im treating him like the player I saw in toronto and in pitt he was atrocious

By the numbers he basically is... His possession numbers have been even worse in Edmonton.

well thats a great way to evaluate players today!! im sure if you go and look a bit more in depth you will find they have pretty similar stats. if you even want to stay on your offensive production which neither of them is know for savard has 15 more points in 10 more games played and its over 750GP for both.... so almost identical. if you look at their stats while on good teams and bad teams they are almost identical and thats over the last 7 years.....
this is a lateral move at best. now adding on top to move ceci..... Yeah no thank you!

Savard has only 2 less points in half the games and is better defensively while Kovacevic has 2 more points in 2 less games and is 6'5 not to mention edmonton gets the 1b goalie they have been looking for. If you're comfortable going into the playoffs with Pickard backing up skinner and ceci on your top pair then I cant wait to see you guys lose to vegas again

Nah, he was plenty fine in PIT. He's somewhat lacking in mobility but he's steady defensively. Given the role he has played, he's certainly held up his end of the bargain of his 3.25mil contract. And if you think he's such an atrocious player, then I sincerely hope you've given Nurse full credit for carrying a top pairing to success with an awful partner for the past 2.5 years.

love to see where you found this?

well if skinner goes down I wouldnt bet we would win the series with Allen either. so picard or Allen who cares at that point.

I dont give nurse the full credit I think edmonton has been a poor defensive team for years now and have not addressed it in a substantial way. edmonton wins by outscoring their opponents in spite of their defense and goaltending

Kulak and Desh have been the best bottom pairing in the NHL, no shot we separate them.
We need a Ceci upgrade but Savard isn't that, they're pretty much equals.
We may want Allen but tbh Pickards been great, until he starts playing poorly as our backup I don't see a reason in changing that.

If we're going to move 2 firsts and a prospect we'll be trying to get a substantial upgrade on Ceci.

Depends what source you're relying on and what stats you're looking at. Per-60 rates, relative rates? If we're comparing relative rates, I'd note that he has a distinct disadvantage in his current given how absurdly dominant the Boucholm pair has been and how Knoblauch is deploying the two pairings (usually McD with Boucholm, Drai with Nurse-Ceci). Drai is nowhere near the dominant possession and chance creator that McD is and McD gets the superior linemates so that'll skew the numbers over time.

Allen has much more experience than pickard and if you have allen instead of pickard there would be a much higher chance that you win that series

Well, okay.

Have ya checked out their stats since Knoblauch took over?

GP TOI CF CA CF% CF% rel FF FA FF% FF% rel oiGF oiSH% oiGA oiSV% PDO oZS% dZS%
3 yrs EDM NHL 203 2520.5 3482 4322 44.6 -12.0 2635 3318 44.3 -12.0 185 9.7 223 90.8 100.5 35.7 64.3
6 yrs OTT NHL 440 8425.4 7690 10286 42.8 -8.8 5735 7664 42.8 -8.3 345 8.3 508 90.9 99.3 39.5 60.5


Per Game
GC G A PTS GC PIM S
6 yrs OTT NHL 0.09 0.07 0.20 0.27 0.09 0.20 1.70
3 yrs EDM NHL 0.08 0.03 0.25 0.28 0.08 0.24 1.17

I have listened to multiple hockey analysts on the radio as they have discussed this. all of them agree if skinner falters or goes down they all only had one goalie as a back up that would have any impact worth spending assets on and that was MAF allen didn't move the needle for them at all especially at the price.