Not sure why Chicago or skinner, or frankly Buffalo would do that

Edit: just looked at everything. Jesus

No to Kane, No to Stamkos, No to Marner, No to Skinner

Sabres accept,
But no idea why Toronto want Seth Jones at all.
Also not why young Chicago team, which clearly is not ready, but on good path, would want Kane and Stamkos, nor why those two sign with bottom team

Sabres do that. Skinner has NMC though

Chicago needs to stay the course. The goal is not to make the playoffs and be somewhat competitive, the goal is continue the rebuild and build for a powerhouse for years to come

Seth Jones had a sneaky good year, Toronto needs a top pair RD, and hes signed long term

He`s got 6 more years for 9,5m. This contract is unmovable, and they would be getting Marner, who would most likely extend contract with Hawks.

That is NOT what Davidson said - He basically said he WOULD make moves to be competitive by next year. By the time these contracts are up, the young players will be ready to take over....while gaining experience in the AHL and call-ups for injuries.....

Some thoughts:
1. Stamkos isn't a C anymore. He's a LW. And that 2nd line is a D zone disaster!
2. Where's Reichel?
3. Trading 6 years of Jones for a one year Marner rental would be a huge mistake.

If Marner does not extend with Chicago to play with Bedard, he would have to be ****

Sure. That makes some sense. But unless he's locked up for certain, and he decides to become a UFA, Chicago gains nothing from this trade. What if his ask is 13 or 14 million and the Hawks don't want to pay that? Nope. It's far too risky a move for the Hawks to make.

That is NOT what KD said, dude. What he said was essentially that they need some competitive high motor role players and to be an improved team. He also made sure to CLEARLY say that we shouldn't expect to be anywhere near the playoffs but there will be improvements.

On top of all that, Hawksguy, if the Hawks get an "acceptable" number (whatever that'd be) on a long-term deal with Marner, is he the one who'll help take the Hawks to the promised land? Based on how he's done in all the playoff games/rounds with the Leafs thus far, I seriously question his ability/desire to do that.

He was crap this year in the playoffs for sure. But look at his history. He's a point per game player over his career in the post season. The Leafs playoff failures are rooted in poor goaltending and a bad defensive scheme. Your strategy in the post season can't be to just outscore your opponent. That core 4 in Toronto gets a lot of undo criticism (especially on this site) for the Leafs playoff failures. Marner is an elite level offensive player and a Selke caliber defensive F. I'll take that all day, every day on Bedard's RW.

Copy that, Hawksguy; thanks for these thoughts.

Then you clear 9,5 mil in cap space on 30 yrs old overpaid D.

Except that the Hawks aren't trying to trade Jones or clear his cap hit. Jones is somewhat overpaid now, but that contract will look less and less bad as the cap starts to rise again. And despite all the negativity about him on this site, when you watch him play, especially this season w/ Vlasic as his partner, he played really well. Those two together are a legit top pairing. Now, will Jones play at that level for another 6 years until the end of his contract? Who knows? But the Hawks would rather take that risk than the risk of not being able to resign Marner and not having Jones either.

It's an interesting perspective....however, it's also interesting to admit that if Jones were a Free Agent today, would the Hawks sign him to a 6-year, 8-million-dollar deal (less than what he makes now)? The answer is unequivocally no....because his age, contract term, and to some degree, style of play don't fit what the Hawks are doing. This alone should be a reason to try to trade this contract and why I wouldn't be surprised if this trade for Marner happens.

For 6 years, no. Definitely not. But if the roster was the same as it is now, I could definitely see the Hawks targeting Jones for at least 3 years to play on top pair. Hawks have no other options on RD, and even if they take Levshunov, he's at least 3 seasons away from stepping into a top pair role. Trading Jones now because you don't think you'll want the contract down the road is really short sighted.

Agreed, the Hawks do have an issue an RD... and if they made this trade without a plan in free agency it wouldn't be great next year.... but there are a few RD available in FA that they could sign to 3 year or less terms... even if they had to overpay its still less term and cap than Jones. I'm less worries about Jones right now than I am in the last few years of this contract when the Hawks will need the cap space.