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GM Game - Ottawa Senators

Created by: We_Want_The_Cup
Team: 2017-18 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 29, 2017
Published: Aug. 29, 2017
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Where I'm headed:
*Young* core headed to a cup run within 2 years. Our D core may be a bit weak now, but it should be poppin' by the time Chabot and even Juulsen grow.

Trade notes:
- Ho-Sang is playing good. Might truly break out this season. But I need better D. Give me an offer!
- Pouliot for one upper-mid pick (he'll bounce back to fringe 2RW level, just you see)
- Brassard (2C) for a 2RW
- Not willing to pay a premium to dump cap

OTB:
- Pouliot
- Brassard

UNTOUCHABLE (I'll listen, but probably not going anywhere):
- Orlov
- Chabot
- Huberdeau
- Stone
- Brown

WILL NOT TRADE (I'll cut off all communications if you ask):
- Trouba
- Chabot
- ROR

2017 Picks:
2nd (Grant Mismash)
2nd (Luke Martin)
4th (Kyle Olson)
4th (Martin Bodak)
4th (Jack Rathbone)
6th (Thomas Gregoire)
6th (Tobias Geisser)
6th (Ryan Hughes)
7th (Jacob Golden)

Roster Size 24
Salary Cap $76,000,000
Cap Hit $67,104,998
Bonuses $1,782,500
Cap Space $8,895,002
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,200,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Paajarvi, Magnus
1$925,000
Dzingel, Ryan
1$1,500,000
2$1,000,000
Sieloff, Patrick
2$1,000,000
Nieto, Matt
2$825,000
Orlov, Dmitri
4$3,750,000
Faksa, Radek
1$2,000,000
O'Connor, Matthew
1$800,000
Hellebuyck, Connor
3$2,200,000
Pouliot, Benoit
2$4,000,000
SPLIT, SPLIT
1$666,666
SPLIT, SPLIT
1$666,666
SPLIT, SPLIT
1$666,666
SPLIT, SPLIT
1$666,666
SPLIT, SPLIT
1$666,666
SPLIT, SPLIT
1$666,666
Trades
1.
DET
  1. Burrows, Alexandre
  2. Ceci, Cody
  3. 2018 3rd round pick (OTT)
2.
VAN
    Part of the Detroit trade
    3.
    DAL
    1. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
    2. White, Colin
    3. Wideman, Chris
    Additional Details:
    2017 1st round pick
    4.
    OTT
    1. Bortuzzo, Robert
    Additional Details:
    2. Magnus Paajarvi (before he was signed IRL)
    STL
    1. Chlapik, Filip
    2. 2018 6th round pick (OTT)
    5.
    OTT
    1. 2018 7th round pick (TBL)
    TBL
      Rights to Mike Condon
      6.
      OTT
        1. Nieto, Matt (before he was signed IRL)
        COL
        1. Lajoie, Maxime
        Additional Details:
        2. 2017 6th round pick (OTT)
        7.
        DAL
        1. 2018 7th round pick (OTT)
        8.
        OTT
          Expansion pick
          9.
          OTT
          1. Janmark, Mattias
          Additional Details:
          2. 2017 4th round pick (MTL)
          10.
          OTT
          1. Helm, Darren
          Additional Details:
          2. 2017 2nd round pick (ANA)
          11.
          DAL
            VGK IRL expansion pick reversal (game takes place before this)
            12.
            OTT
            1. Hagelin, Carl
            2. Wilson, Scott
            3. 2018 3rd round pick (PIT)
            Additional Details:
            4. Jimmy Hayes
            5. UFA Rights to Hainsey
            6. "Cheese puffs" (as per previous GM)
            PIT
            1. Methot, Marc ($1,400,000 retained)
            2. Smith, Zack
            13.
            OTT
            1. Booth, Callum
            2. 2019 1st round pick (CAR)
            Additional Details:
            3. Jacob Trouba
            4. Dmitry Orlov
            5. Jaroslav Halak
            6. 2017 6th round pick (SJS)
            7. 2017 6th round pick (MTL)
            8. 2017 6th round pick (CHI)
            9. 2017 7th round pick (SJS)
            14.
            WPG
              Part of the Carolina trade
              15.
              OTT
              1. 2018 6th round pick (NYR)
              16.
              OTT
                1. Mark Fayne
                2. 2017 4th round pick (PHI)
                VGK
                1. 2018 7th round pick (TBL)
                17.
                OTT
                1. 2019 6th round pick (PIT)
                Additional Details:
                Don't ask me what the reasoning behind this trade is; I have no idea.
                PIT
                1. 2019 6th round pick (OTT)
                18.
                OTT
                  1. Johnny Gaudreau
                  2. Radek Faksa
                  3. 2018 2nd round pick (CAR)
                  19.
                  OTT
                  1. 2018 2nd round pick (CAR)
                  CAR
                    Part of the Nashville trade
                    20.
                    OTT
                      1. Ward, C
                      2. Plekanec, T
                      COL
                      1. 2018 7th round pick (NYR)
                      Additional Details:
                      2. Halak, J
                      3. Fayne, M
                      4. Hayes, J
                      21.
                      MTL
                        Part of the Colorado trade
                        22.
                        OTT
                        1. Nielsen, Andrew
                        Additional Details:
                        2. Fiala, K
                        3. Nyquist, G
                        4. RFA Rights to Zadorov, N
                        5. 2018 2nd round pick (CGY)
                        6. 2018 7th round pick (TBL)
                        7. 2019 6th round pick (TBL)
                        23.
                        OTT
                        1. 2018 2nd round pick (CGY)
                        NYI
                          Part of the Toronto trade
                          24.
                          OTT
                          1. 2018 7th round pick (TBL)
                          2. 2019 6th round pick (TBL)
                          TBL
                            Part of the Toronto trade
                            25.
                            OTT
                              1. Hellebuyck, C
                              2. Smith, C
                              DAL
                              1. Anderson, Craig
                              Additional Details:
                              2. Nyquist, G
                              26.
                              NSH
                                Part of the Dallas trade
                                27.
                                OTT
                                  1. Huberdeau, J
                                  2. Ho-Sang, J
                                  CAR
                                  1. 2018 3rd round pick (PIT)
                                  2. 2018 7th round pick (TBL)
                                  Additional Details:
                                  3. Gaudreau, J
                                  28.
                                  FLA
                                    Part of the Carolina trade
                                    29.
                                    NYI
                                      Part of the Carolina trade
                                      30.
                                      NSH
                                        Part of the Toronto trade (forgot to add him in)
                                        31.
                                        CAR
                                          Part of the second Colorado trade (forgot to add him in, he was immediately bought out by the previous GM, thus the penalty must be shown)
                                          32.
                                          OTT
                                            Fixing IRL trades that never happened in GM Game or cap hit discrepancies with IRL signings and GM Game signings
                                            33.
                                            OTT
                                              1. Noah Juulsen
                                              DAL
                                              1. Zadorov, Nikita
                                              2. 2018 5th round pick (OTT)
                                              3. 2019 3rd round pick (OTT)
                                              34.
                                              MTL
                                                Part of the Dallas trade
                                                35.
                                                OTT
                                                1. 2020 5th round pick (WPG)
                                                Additional Details:
                                                2. Antti Raanta
                                                36.
                                                ARI
                                                  Part of the Winnipeg trade
                                                  37.
                                                  OTT
                                                    1. 2020 CBJ 2nd round pick
                                                    MIN
                                                    1. Smith, Craig ($2,125,000 retained)
                                                    38.
                                                    OTT
                                                    1. 2020 2nd round pick (CBJ)
                                                    CBJ
                                                      Part of the Minnesota trade
                                                      39.
                                                      OTT
                                                        Not actually Anaheim
                                                        ANA
                                                        1. Sieloff, Patrick
                                                        Additional Details:
                                                        Fixing cap hit discrepancies (forgot to ship him away)
                                                        40.
                                                        OTT
                                                          1. 2018 4th round pick (CGY)
                                                          2. Pouliot, B.
                                                          MIN
                                                          1. Hagelin, Carl
                                                          2. 2019 6th round pick (TBL)
                                                          41.
                                                          OTT
                                                            Rights not owned by me within GM game (just found out)
                                                            ANA
                                                            1. Reinhart, Max
                                                            Additional Details:
                                                            Not actually Anaheim, just a cast away
                                                            42.
                                                            OTT
                                                              1. Wiercioch, P.
                                                              43.
                                                              VAN
                                                                Part of the Pittsburgh trade
                                                                44.
                                                                OTT
                                                                1. McCabe, Jake
                                                                2. O'Reilly, Ryan
                                                                3. 2019 2nd round pick (BUF)
                                                                BUF
                                                                1. Faksa, Radek
                                                                2. Seguin, Tyler
                                                                3. 2019 5th round pick (OTT)
                                                                Buyouts
                                                                Retained Salary Transactions
                                                                DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
                                                                2018
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the CAR
                                                                Logo of the CGY
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the NYR
                                                                2019
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the CAR
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the BUF
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the PIT
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                2020
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the CBJ
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the WPG
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                Logo of the OTT
                                                                ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
                                                                48$76,000,000$70,094,993$0$1,800,000$5,905,007

                                                                Roster

                                                                Left WingCentreRight Wing
                                                                $5,900,000$5,900,000
                                                                LW, RW
                                                                UFA - 6
                                                                $1,875,000$1,875,000
                                                                C
                                                                UFA - 6
                                                                $3,500,000$3,500,000
                                                                RW
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
                                                                RW, LW
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $3,000,000$3,000,000
                                                                C, LW
                                                                M-NTC
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
                                                                RW, C
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                Pouliot, Benoit
                                                                $4,000,000$4,000,000
                                                                $3,000,000$3,000,000
                                                                C
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                Dzingel, Ryan
                                                                $1,500,000$1,500,000
                                                                Nieto, Matt
                                                                $825,000$825,000
                                                                $612,500$612,500
                                                                C, RW
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                $3,850,000$3,850,000
                                                                C, LW, RW
                                                                NTC
                                                                UFA - 4
                                                                Paajarvi, Magnus
                                                                $925,000$925,000
                                                                SPLIT, SPLIT
                                                                $666,666$666,666
                                                                $625,000$625,000
                                                                LW
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                SPLIT, SPLIT
                                                                $666,666$666,666
                                                                $894,166$894,166
                                                                C, LW
                                                                RFA - 4
                                                                SPLIT, SPLIT
                                                                $666,666$666,666
                                                                $650,000$650,000
                                                                LW
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $635,833$635,833
                                                                C
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                $742,500$742,500 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
                                                                RW
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $703,333$703,333 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
                                                                LW
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $700,000$700,000
                                                                RW
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                $737,500$737,500
                                                                RW
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                                                                Orlov, Dmitri
                                                                $3,750,000$3,750,000
                                                                $2,812,500$2,812,500
                                                                RD
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                Hellebuyck, Connor
                                                                $2,200,000$2,200,000
                                                                $1,600,000$1,600,000
                                                                LD/RD
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$360,000$360K)
                                                                LD
                                                                UFA - 3
                                                                $1,000,000$1,000,000
                                                                G
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                $1,100,000$1,100,000
                                                                LD
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                $863,333$863,333
                                                                RD
                                                                UFA - 3
                                                                SPLIT, SPLIT
                                                                $666,666$666,666
                                                                SPLIT, SPLIT
                                                                $666,666$666,666
                                                                $1,150,000$1,150,000
                                                                RD
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $1,350,000$1,350,000
                                                                G
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                $650,000$650,000
                                                                LD
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                SPLIT, SPLIT
                                                                $666,666$666,666
                                                                $850,000$850,000
                                                                G
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                $775,833$775,833 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
                                                                LD
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $655,000$655,000
                                                                D
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $835,000$835,000 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
                                                                G
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $755,000$755,000 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
                                                                RD
                                                                UFA - 3
                                                                $650,000$650,000
                                                                RD
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                $735,000$735,000
                                                                G
                                                                UFA - 1
                                                                $697,500$697,500 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
                                                                LD
                                                                UFA - 3
                                                                $641,667$641,667
                                                                LD
                                                                UFA - 2
                                                                Sieloff, Patrick
                                                                $1,000,000$1,000,000
                                                                ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                                                                $4,650,000$4,650,000
                                                                LW
                                                                M-NTC
                                                                UFA - 3

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                                                                Sep. 1, 2017 at 9:17 p.m.
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                                                                I have Mike Stone. Give me his little brother. Does either Kyle Okposo or Kyle Palmieri make for a good base?
                                                                Sep. 2, 2017 at 8:23 a.m.
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                                                                Price for Hellebuyck, Brown and a 2018 1st.
                                                                Sep. 2, 2017 at 1:13 p.m.
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                                                                Quoting: DarylthePony
                                                                Price for Hellebuyck, Brown and a 2018 1st.


                                                                Not interested in Price. Not a good fit for my team plan.

                                                                Quoting: Icegirl
                                                                I have Mike Stone. Give me his little brother. Does either Kyle Okposo or Kyle Palmieri make for a good base?


                                                                We'll talk again about Stone after my move.
                                                                Sep. 2, 2017 at 1:15 p.m.
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                                                                I have Stamkos available if you are interested.
                                                                Sep. 2, 2017 at 1:19 p.m.
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                                                                Quoting: boltscharge17
                                                                I have Stamkos available if you are interested.


                                                                No thanks, just want Vasilevskiy.
                                                                Sep. 2, 2017 at 1:32 p.m.
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                                                                Check your twitter
                                                                Sep. 3, 2017 at 11:11 a.m.
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                                                                Ilya Samsonov for Hellebuyck + Car 1st 2019? or Hellebuyck + 2018 1st Ott?
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 8:37 a.m.
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                                                                Quoting: TopCornerShot
                                                                Ilya Samsonov for Hellebuyck + Car 1st 2019? or Hellebuyck + 2018 1st Ott?


                                                                Tempting, but I wouldn't have any NHL goaltender at that point, and anyway the cost is heavy for my liking with the 1st round pick, considering Hellebuyck is eclipsing into starter-dom at 24 years of age.
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 9:14 a.m.
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                                                                Interested by Fleury?
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 10:33 a.m.
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                                                                Pacio interest you ?
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 11:19 a.m.
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                                                                Morin and a 2019 1st for Trouba.
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 1:57 p.m.
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                                                                Quoting: Math
                                                                Interested by Fleury?

                                                                If you're willing to give him for cheap (not top-6, not a top prospect, not a 1st or 2nd), sure. Otherwise, I think he's on the decline early with a 3.02GAA and .909Sv%. Those types of goalies tend to trade for cheap in the NHL.
                                                                I'd suggest a cap swap (hint hint, Hagelin) and a 3rd.

                                                                Quoting: plNHL
                                                                Pacio interest you ?

                                                                You'll get better value for him elsewhere.

                                                                Quoting: DarylthePony
                                                                Morin and a 2019 1st for Trouba.

                                                                Not even close. Trading Trouba for a B+ prospect (with a penchant for PIM) and a 1st would set me back light years. Any Trouba trade would require an overpay in the likes of RD NHLer (under 33) + A- prospect
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 2:02 p.m.
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                                                                While we're at it, what is your asking price on Ryan Dzingel?
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 2:08 p.m.
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                                                                JT Miller + Bennett +1st for Chabot and Brown?
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 2:26 p.m.
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                                                                After reviewing your roster and comparing it to mine I am wondering about a certain type of deal that I feel could be mutually beneficial. The structure would be something like the following:

                                                                San Jose Sharks Cody Ceci (The other top Ottawa RHD) + Brock Nelson (Solid 20 G Center) + Vancouver 1st 2018 (Top 5 pick or atleast top 10, but more likely top 4 or so) + ??????
                                                                for
                                                                Ottawa Senators Jacob Trouba (Great Player) + Mark Stone (Plays RW which I need) + Ottawa 1st 2018 (Playoff type first rounder)

                                                                What reasonable thing could I add on to this proposal to make it work? I could add in Samsonov for Hellebuyck straight up if you want the player with the higher ceiling. You said you wanted a starting goalie though so that may not work. What about Vancouver 3rd 2018 from my side and Carl Hagelin from your side? That should close the gap in value on the deal quite well as I see Hagelin as more of a dump type player now. I'd be flexible to other stuff also. I'd basically like to do Ceci + Nelson for Trouba + Stone, but recognize that the value isn't there unless it's built up by adding higher value from my side on atleast a couple more assets to get the needle to an even valued trade.

                                                                I know you don't have a lot of time right now, but I've been searching for a legit #1 RHD and a top 6 young RW for some time so it'd be great if we could make something even. If it's too much time for you to spend to figure something out we could always come back to it when things calm down for you if you think there is anything to be agreed on here.
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 6:54 p.m.
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                                                                Dougthy for chabot and a 2rd
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 6:54 p.m.
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                                                                Dougthy for chabot and a 2rd
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 6:57 p.m.
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                                                                Quoting: Icegirl
                                                                While we're at it, what is your asking price on Ryan Dzingel?

                                                                See Twitter.

                                                                Quoting: F50marco
                                                                JT Miller + Bennett +1st for Chabot and Brown?

                                                                No thanks. I have no interest in Bennett (obviously we value him very differently). I wouldn't ever move any of my current top4 for anything less than another defenseman. As you can see, I don't have many to spare. As for Brown, I'm not enthusiastic to trade him (we both know he has real good upside) unless for the right piece. I value him somewhere like a couple notches lower than your Fabbri or Larkin.

                                                                I'd do Miller and a 2018 1st (DET) for Brown and a 2020 4th (OTT) and 2019 6th (take your pick), if you're that intent on getting him.
                                                                Alternatively, I'd do Larkin for Brown and 2019 1st (best of either OTT or CAR), but I don't think that's the direction you're taking.

                                                                I can't see any other alternative trade in my arsenal that would please you, considering you're after prospects and picks.

                                                                Quoting: TopCornerShot
                                                                After reviewing your roster and comparing it to mine I am wondering about a certain type of deal that I feel could be mutually beneficial. The structure would be something like the following:

                                                                San Jose Sharks Cody Ceci (The other top Ottawa RHD) + Brock Nelson (Solid 20 G Center) + Vancouver 1st 2018 (Top 5 pick or atleast top 10, but more likely top 4 or so) + ??????
                                                                for
                                                                Ottawa Senators Jacob Trouba (Great Player) + Mark Stone (Plays RW which I need) + Ottawa 1st 2018 (Playoff type first rounder)

                                                                What reasonable thing could I add on to this proposal to make it work? I could add in Samsonov for Hellebuyck straight up if you want the player with the higher ceiling. You said you wanted a starting goalie though so that may not work. What about Vancouver 3rd 2018 from my side and Carl Hagelin from your side? That should close the gap in value on the deal quite well as I see Hagelin as more of a dump type player now. I'd be flexible to other stuff also. I'd basically like to do Ceci + Nelson for Trouba + Stone, but recognize that the value isn't there unless it's built up by adding higher value from my side on atleast a couple more assets to get the needle to an even valued trade.

                                                                I know you don't have a lot of time right now, but I've been searching for a legit #1 RHD and a top 6 young RW for some time so it'd be great if we could make something even. If it's too much time for you to spend to figure something out we could always come back to it when things calm down for you if you think there is anything to be agreed on here.

                                                                Well, I have to give it to you, this is the best Trouba trade pitch I've received yet, among a flurry of them. Normally I'd delay my answer and say I'll be shopping Trouba in the near future league-wide, but I owe you some respect for truly understanding my needs and trying to make it work both ways. Thanks.

                                                                Unfortunately for you, I'm quite low on Ceci, based on his advanced stats and all. I understand that I'll likely be receiving a slight downgrade on Trouba in a Trouba trade (in order to grab the other pieces I want), but I'm not willing to downgrade this much. Mainly because my defensive depth is terribly bad right now, so that would harm me way too much.

                                                                I'll also be formally fielding offers on Stone very soon, likely tomorrow if all goes well. I'll message you on Twitter about this. I rather keep Stone, but that top-5 pick is indeed tempting...
                                                                Sep. 4, 2017 at 6:58 p.m.
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                                                                Quoting: Math
                                                                Dougthy for chabot and a 2rd

                                                                Not at all the direction I'm taking this team. No thanks.
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                                                                Quoting: Math
                                                                Dougthy for chabot and a 2rd

                                                                Not at all the direction I'm taking this team. No thanks.


                                                                What for chabot
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                                                                Quoting: We_Want_The_Cup

                                                                Not at all the direction I'm taking this team. No thanks.


                                                                What for chabot

                                                                Something ridiculous, like Bergeron/Tkachuk and Sproul, 2018 3rd... Johansson, Benn, MAF, two 2018 2nds, one 2018 2nd...
                                                                I'm not looking to trade Chabot. I clearly don't have the pieces to replace him, or any of my defensemen for that matter. Stop asking, you don't have anything reasonable that could pry him away from me, unless you're insane.

                                                                Optimally, a Chabot return would include a top-4 NHLer (23 to 27yrs old), and an A- prospect (or A/A+ depending on how old the NHLer is). I don't see why anybody would be insane enough to do that trade, and that's fine by me. So unless you're looking to give Doughty + Pierre-Luc Dubois, save yourself the trouble.
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                                                                Gallagher for Stone as a base.
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                                                                While we're at it, what is your asking price on Ryan Dzingel?

                                                                See Twitter.

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                                                                JT Miller + Bennett +1st for Chabot and Brown?

                                                                No thanks. I have no interest in Bennett (obviously we value him very differently). I wouldn't ever move any of my current top4 for anything less than another defenseman. As you can see, I don't have many to spare. As for Brown, I'm not enthusiastic to trade him (we both know he has real good upside) unless for the right piece. I value him somewhere like a couple notches lower than your Fabbri or Larkin.

                                                                I'd do Miller and a 2018 1st (DET) for Brown and a 2020 4th (OTT) and 2019 6th (take your pick), if you're that intent on getting him.
                                                                Alternatively, I'd do Larkin for Brown and 2019 1st (best of either OTT or CAR), but I don't think that's the direction you're taking.

                                                                I can't see any other alternative trade in my arsenal that would please you, considering you're after prospects and picks.


                                                                OK thanks anyway.
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                                                                If you're interested in Howard I'd be willing to move him for something like Plekanec + Paajarvi.
                                                                Gives Hellebuyck (or another young'un) 2 years to establish himself before taking over.


                                                                Interested in Howard at this price?
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                                                                Quoting: ricochetii
                                                                If you're interested in Howard I'd be willing to move him for something like Plekanec + Paajarvi.
                                                                Gives Hellebuyck (or another young'un) 2 years to establish himself before taking over.


                                                                Interested in Howard at this price?

                                                                I might have considered him before, but I found a much better option that suits my needs in Raanta.

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                                                                OK thanks anyway.

                                                                No worries. I'm just a team with a penchant for youth, and Brown is in the plans to be a full-time the following season, if all goes well. So yes, price is inflated.

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                                                                Gallagher for Stone as a base.

                                                                No thanks. I do like Gally, but Stone is already quite a bit better than Gallagher, and is much less of a question mark (injury struggles). Unless you're willing to pay with a blue-chip prospect, I'm not willing to take on that downgrade and risk.
                                                                 
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