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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2017 at 11:04 p.m.
Thread: Pens- 3Peat final touches (3rd Line C is....)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Willian_Cardoso</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ess</b></div><div>

I think they take it. Hagelin is going to move at the deadline for a 2nd and maybe more. I don't think Eakin would get that kind of return. He's not playoff proven, where Hagelin has 2 cups and has seen a lot of play off time prior to PIT as well.

I wouldn't do the deal straight up. I'd add a prospect and take another player rather than a swap. Eakin and Merrill/Miller for Hegelin and Archibald/Simon or something like that.</div></div>

The problem is Hagelin had a really bad regular and postseson. And the GMs usually base their trade proposal specially in the last season. Except prospects and young players, of course. Besides, Eakin is younger than Hag.This is why I think it's a straight up trade.

But the idea of a trade among Hagelin, Archibald and a 4th/5th rd pick for Eakin and Miller would be good for us.</div></div>

He had a concussion and a lower body injury and still out produced Eakin though. He was off by 10ish pts. Eakin (kneed injury) was off by 20-30pts and was out played otherwise as well. DAL fans ran him out of town, where as PIT fans still like Hagelin. We just see him as more expendable because of his cap hit, which 150k off from Eakin's. At 28 Hagelin isn't old. just 2 years older than Eakin, who is 26, and Vegas isn't going to win with EITHER of these guys. they're trade chips. A dead line deal for a vet to help on a cup run. Who would you give more for at the deadline?

Eakin has to bounce back to 35-40 pts on an expansion team. If Hagelin puts up 25pt, he's still a 2x cup winner with a wealth of playoff expereince ... maybe some salary retention gets serious assets for an expansion team that's 5 yrs from a play off push, IMO.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2017 at 10:23 p.m.
Thread: Moving Green and Sheahan, Ken Holland should be fired.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DontToewsMe19</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ess</b></div><div>Why would PIT do that though? Wilson is the better 2 way forward and currently has better production and potential ... at a better rate and term. Sheahan isn't worth $2m ... He would be in the minors if not in DET on that contract. He's a cap dump for DET ... he's 25. You should be offering more than you get. See the Eric Fehr trade with TOR. I wouldn't take Sheahan with out $1m in retention though.

I'd counter offer a 5th for Sheahan with $1m in retention.</div></div>

You said it yourself, he's 25. Also, he has potential and can put up points, he just had a down year in Detroit and needs a change.</div></div>

25 and potential makes him a piece to rebuild around ... Moving on from him makes him someone you're giving up on ... Cap dump. I've had bad days at work. I've NEVER had an off year. What's the reason for his off year?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2017 at 9:58 p.m.
Thread: 15205
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cnb17</b></div><div>don't think you're get that much for Kessel. Maybe 2 players and a 2nd or 3rd. At 30 years old you're not getting a first for him anymore.</div></div>

At 30 yrs old ... Thorton is 38. He's young in SJ years. He's also point machine and a play off performer. He IS depth scoring. I don't think a first will be an issue, especially from a play off team.

I do think I might be over asking on the 3rd. Braun I took to open cap space on SJ roster, but also because the other 2 are bottom 6 quality players a the moment. So I'm asking for 4th D, a 3rd C, and a good prospect with some NHL time, along with a mid to late 1st round pick for a top 10 player in the league who's making $6.8m when he should be making $8m ... And before the Crosby/Malkin factor gets brought up look at his points in TOR all the way back to BOS.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2017 at 9:44 p.m.
Thread: Pens- 3Peat final touches (3rd Line C is....)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Willian_Cardoso</b></div><div>At the best for us Vegas would accept an even trade between both players. I don't think they would accept a trade for Eakin involving Hagelin with Pens having a better return. Even with the dumb trade they already made.

So, Hagelin for Eakin even it'd be good enough for us.</div></div>

I think they take it. Hagelin is going to move at the deadline for a 2nd and maybe more. I don't think Eakin would get that kind of return. He's not playoff proven, where Hagelin has 2 cups and has seen a lot of play off time prior to PIT as well.

I wouldn't do the deal straight up. I'd add a prospect and take another player rather than a swap. Eakin and Merrill/Miller for Hegelin and Archibald/Simon or something like that.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2017 at 9:08 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2017 at 5:42 p.m.
Thread: Trading Guentzel
Sodenberg's NHL career might be over. He's prime for a buyout. He's a cap dump and a huge risk at his term. Asking the max for retention is good. Landeskog I believe has always been a bit over rated so I like the retention ($1m would be enough for me).

Guentzel playing with Duchese or MacKinnon should be great. He just needs a little bit of weight and he's gold. I think Guentzel is worth more than Landeskog at this point, with the playoff he had, the contract he's on, etc. Maatta value is close to Landeskog IMO, maybe with a 3rd. Sodenberg is worth at 3rd or 4th round pick to me, even with the retention his is a contract that can hurt your team for 3 years.

Here's what I'd suggest ...
Guentzel, Maatta, and PIT 2nd (2018)
Landeskog (- $1m), JT Compher, Sodenberg (-$2.375), and COL 1st (2018)

Then make a deal for an NHL Dman ... Vegas has a few. Compher gives us a backup plan if Sodenberg is a bust, or allows Sodenberg to move to wing if Compher's play earns him a spot. Start shopping Kessel at seasons end for prospects, picks, etc.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2017 at 4:18 p.m.
Thread: The Real Pens
Why trade sprong, who might be a top six this year to fill a 3rd line center? He's pretty much a lock to be an NHLer, just a matter of how good. He's projected to be very good and Bozak is a rental that makes more than than PIT would like to pay for 3C. Bozak is a good hockey player, but not what the Pens need. They need a lockdown center for PK who puts up a few points, and can overachieve with Hornqvist and Kessel moving up and down the roster. The don't need a proven scoring line center and would much prefer filling with a guy with more than a single year left before UFA. Bozak gives no return at season end where Sprong and Hagelin both have more time and could be traded for more permanent roles if need be.

Also TOR doesn't have room for the last great winger prospect we traded them. Kaspanen and others are ready for the NHL, but can't crack that roster. Nether Hagelin or Sprong would be very useful to them at this time, except as more assets to trade.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 31, 2017 at 11:37 p.m.
Thread: Moving Soderberg, signing Zadorov and a few more young UFA's.
Basically I see this is a a move to free COL of a bad contract ...
Why would PIT do this deal though? Sodenberg is a HUGE question mark as he played in 80 games last year and couldn't crack the top 10 in scoring on the worst team in the league. He's 31 and under contract for 3 more potentially terrible years. Retaining the max, half his salary is still a huge gamble ... Grimaldi is a 24 year old midget (5-6) who hasn't cracked FLA or COL line up, which means ZERO chance of playing in PIT's and we don't need AHL scoring ... and a 3rd which doesn't help seek a 3rd cup in 3 years.

You're not offering anything enticing enough to make PIT to want to absorb that contract. We'd need 2nd rder and a very solid prospect that is projected to play in the NHL in the next year or 2 in addition to Soderberg ... otherwise they'd just keep the 23yr dman who they've just won back to back cups with and go after a 3C elsewhere, that are younger, cheaper, and less of a risk.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 30, 2017 at 9:46 p.m.