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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 4:03 p.m.

Thread: The Canes Dont Actually Need to Move Any Defensemen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>spockrock</b></div><div>They don’t need to move any, but they’re still gonna move Pesce before the season starts.</div></div>

If they get the right compensation. If they don't, own-rentaling will still be super-valuable. I'm saying that the Canes are the team with all of the leverage in any trade talks because they are 2 million underneath the cap WITH all of those defensemen.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.

Thread: The Canes Dont Actually Need to Move Any Defensemen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>poeticentropy</b></div><div>running Burns on the 3rd pair looks so weird but I don't think he needs to log big minutes to be extremely impactful (like Karlsson does), so I guess this works. I would imagine DeAngelo gets 3rd pairing role</div></div>

Then the Canes can run Orlov-DeAngelo. That's still hilarious.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 3:40 p.m.

Thread: The Canes Dont Actually Need to Move Any Defensemen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac555</b></div><div>Now imagine this team with Lindholm as 2C and KK/Staal running the bottom 6 lines.</div></div>

The Canes are 2 million under the cap WITH the comically-loaded blueline. They can just conserve cap space and still fit Lindholm or, more likely, a forward with some term in via a deadline trade. The Canes don't have to do a damned thing until March if they really want to.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 2:01 p.m.

Thread: A Much Simpler Jets-Canes Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>I love Nino... Teravainen is hands down the better player. Both are rentals, and I get Teuvo's cap hit is 1.4 million higher, but he's also a 60+ point player, where Nino has career highs in the 50s... Nino and Teuvo are also comparable defensively and Teuvo is several years younger. Winnipeg should be adding, not Carolina</div></div>

Here's the problem I'm thinking about, though: is Brind'Amour willing to play Turbo with Staal and Fast rather than Martinook in order to boost the 3rd line's offense? We all know how great Nino-Staal-Fast is as a unit, and he'd likely play the lines that way if given a choice.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.

Thread: Blockbuster Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>The sheer fact that we have Canes fans in the comments saying that they wouldn't move Jarvis for Connor is absurd, like come on, I know you over value your players but come on</div></div>

I'm a Canes fan. I posted the trade lmao! The whole reason why I did this is because Jarvis for Connor IMO makes so much sense for both teams.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 12:33 p.m.

Thread: Blockbuster Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ecupirate07</b></div><div>The jets need more LHDs? No motivation for the Jets to do this. Also no real need for the canes to either</div></div>

They need better top-4 D. Skjei is a significant upgrade over what they have. The point of my trade for Winnipeg is about Jarvis, though. That's the real golden ticket for a team that needs young stars.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2023 at 1:49 a.m.

Thread: This Sounds Way More Carolina to Me Than EK

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>Would be wild having your top 4 defensemen come up for contracts at the same time</div></div>

Canes would succeed Orlov and Burns with Nikishin and Morrow. Slavin is an easy re-signing, similar to Aho. Canes can likely fill the last slot via trade or UFA.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2023 at 1:22 a.m.

Thread: Would Petry Waive to Buffalo

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>homiedaclown</b></div><div>Doesn’t matter if he would or wouldn’t
He’s (Petry) not a guy we’d even remotely consider imo</div></div>

I bet the tone would change drastically if a first was offered to take on Petry. The Sabres would be fools not to take that.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2023 at 1:19 a.m.

Thread: Would Petry Waive to Buffalo

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stadel</b></div><div>theyre super careful about giving any term to anyone over 30. They overpaid their entire 4th line and EJ simply to avoid to an extra year on any of their deals. Doubt theyd want to take on petry at 6.25 with an extra year attached.</div></div>

It's different when it comes to UFAs versus being paid to take on a contract. The two seconds have significant value.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2023 at 1:17 a.m.

Thread: Would Petry Waive to Buffalo

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Good thought on the trade. Don't think the picks are a big attraction to the Sabres. It's whether the Sabres think Petry is good value at 6.25m for the next two years.</div></div>

I think that it's far more about the sweeteners than contract value. Petry isn't awful by any means and he's a great veteran influence, but his contract currently is an overpay. Buffalo is getting close but, similar to a team like Detroit, isn't quite a playoff team yet, so the draft picks should be a nice way to boost their capital.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 20, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.

Thread: Canes Take a Dramatic Pivot

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JoeROFLCOPTER</b></div><div>Walman and Seider were a phenomenal pairing until the whole team started tanking. Walman, barring a significant drop off, is great.

Furthermore, an issue is that although it may be better <em>currently</em>, Detroit has a phenomenal LD prospect pool. Skjei would be an expensive bandaid over an already scabbed wound.</div></div>

To me, what Detroit should do depends on how high you are on Wallinder becoming a top-4 defenseman. I'm pretty sure that Edvinsson has what it takes to become one, but whether to acquire and sign a top-4 veteran like Skjei long-term IMO depends on what you think of Wallinder.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 20, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.

Thread: Canes Take a Dramatic Pivot

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JoeROFLCOPTER</b></div><div>Why are we paying even close to the same</div></div>

Skjei had a better season than Pesce last year statistically. He likely gets nearly as much in a trade. Also, Detroit's left side is not great. Skjei would strongly elevate that defense and actually give a legitimate top-4 caliber partner for Seider.

Skjei-Seider
Walman-Holl
Ghost-Jokiharju

Is leagues beyond what the defense currently constitutes.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 20, 2023 at 1:47 p.m.

Thread: Canes Take a Dramatic Pivot

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jfstompers</b></div><div>Why amm I paying more for skjei and joki than buffalo is for turbo and pesce</div></div>

Detroit is not paying more. The first that Detroit is giving up is much later.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 20, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.

Thread: Canes Take a Dramatic Pivot

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ennis</b></div><div>If you want Teuvo in the package it'll cost a bit more</div></div>

The two trades were more of a base. I know how hard it is for teams to move salary, however, I also know that the Canes' assets are sought after, unlike Pittsburgh's.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2023 at 5:31 p.m.

Thread: Pesce and Teravainen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PHEN</b></div><div>Adams can’t sign on the dotted line fast enough. Not sure why Carolina would make this trade</div></div>

Two-fold. Both contracts are being sent to San Jose for Karlsson, which then frees up space for Tarasenko. It keeps our team as good and simultaneously improves the cap issues in 2024 (mainly because it reduces our pending UFA and RFA count to just Aho/Necas/Jarvis).

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2023 at 5:31 p.m.

Thread: Pesce and Teravainen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>homiedaclown</b></div><div>I see you’re a ‘Canes fan

As a Sabres fan, I’d be for this
Idk if the Sabres would do this, but i would

I think your fellow Carolina fans will complain that u guys aren’t getting enough though</div></div>

The fact that my trade proposal was mostly salary neutral made it so the return was greater for the Canes. I would assume that the normal return would be Rosen or a 2025 1st, not both.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 18, 2023 at 12:09 p.m.

Thread: Roster Maneuvering

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BruinsWoahWoah</b></div><div>You mean Monthomery/Sweeney?

Maybe it would make sense then for a Grz/Skjei swap... but even then Boston would be taking on additional cap which doesn't work and Debrusk wouldn't be included</div></div>

Sorry, I mix up Benning and Sweeney a lot in my brain because Benning used to work for the Bruins.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 18, 2023 at 11:53 a.m.

Thread: Roster Maneuvering

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoSeider53</b></div><div>So Mike Grier eats $14,000,000 on Erik Karlsson for a cap dump in Faska and 2 late 1st round picks. Yeah don't see that happening.</div></div>

Harley isn't a nothing asset, either.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 18, 2023 at 11:51 a.m.

Thread: Roster Maneuvering

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowball</b></div><div>No thnx, BOS doesn’t need any LD</div></div>

I get the feeling that Benning may prefer a size upgrade on LD, like he did at the trade deadline with Orlov.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2023 at 1:04 p.m.

Thread: Potentially the Best Defensive Pairing in the West

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Severson proved how ridiculous the Columbus signing was. He didn't even want to go venture into free agency because he knew no team what offer nearly as much term as Columbus did. It has to be about the money to be willing to play in Columbus, it's not like it's childhood dream, or the want to be on a competitive team.</div></div>

I personally think that the Canes and Pesce will actually agree on an extension and that the EK talks are contractual leverage on Carolina's end. I think that they will eventually agree to something like 6 years. Sure, maybe 5 is ideal, but considering that countless clubs are known to hand out 8 years to scarce commodities like premium RHD, I think that they find a way to settle at 6.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2023 at 12:53 p.m.

Thread: Potentially the Best Defensive Pairing in the West

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Does a team really want to extend Pesce for eight years? His new contract starts when he almost 30 years of age.</div></div>

It's not really about "wanting" so much as it is what the premium RHD clearly are able to get in UFA (see the Severson sign-and-trade). Some organizations are more willing to stomach this reality than others.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 17, 2023 at 12:40 p.m.

Thread: Potentially the Best Defensive Pairing in the West

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoreHitzSeider</b></div><div>That's pretty funny since Dallas won more Playoff games than Carolina did.</div></div>

The Canes were injured to s***, unlike Dallas. They simply got goalied in the ECF due to that reason. And although Pesce's great, Karlsson may actually be an overall upgrade and (depending on the retention numbers) a better fit for the Canes' cap structure. It would again be a very close race in the playoffs for everyone.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2023 at 11:37 p.m.

Thread: Why I See Karlsson Being a Penguin Instead of a Cane

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>Canucks aren’t retaining half on Myers while taking back a more expensive cap dump with an extra year</div></div>

I know, but someone might. Vancouver was just a theoretical landing spot since Petry likely does not want to land on a rebuilding team.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 12, 2023 at 12:31 a.m.

Thread: I Wonder if This Is the Plan if the Canes Lose On Karlsson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>Canes selling and sharks buying doesn’t make a lot of sense.</div></div>

It's not really "selling". It's about the Sharks acquiring a Karlsson successor and the Canes making room for Tarasenko.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2023 at 11:48 p.m.

Thread: I Wonder if This Is the Plan if the Canes Lose On Karlsson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Waffelz</b></div><div>Sharks aren't giving up a conditional first for Fabbro.</div></div>

Did you read the conditions that I wrote? I penned it so that if NJ makes the ECF, that San Jose would trade the 2025 2nd instead.

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