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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 2 at 10:59 a.m.
Thread:
What is his value
Wennberg's player profile is a well rounded middle six center. He's not much of a goalscorer and prefers to act as a playmaker while chipping in on both the power play and penalty kill. Wennberg is currently the Kraken's second line center, though he might be best suited as a third line center on a serious contender. I think second and fifth round picks for Wennberg half retained is pretty fair value for a deadline deal, but whether Seattle will be willing to sell him given their recent good run of form is an open question at this time.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 2 at 1:00 a.m.
Thread:
Seattle
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I think next season they gonna get serious as they took a step back this season. So having 1.2m Daccord being their starter will help them get back to the playoffs come next season. Especially if he continues playing like this. Basically they would probs want Cowan for him which is an auto no.
Larsson I can see go as this offseason is loaded with Dman
Roy, Pesce, Hanafin, Skeji, Ghost, Dillon, Walker, etc.
So losing him wont be so bad
Goaltending its voodo and if you got a young guy on a dirt cheap deal doing well keep em. As someone of his caliber gonna cost at lest 5m in FA</div></div>
Sure, there might be a lot of defenseman in free agency this offseason, but it's far from a guarantee Seattle will be able to sign any of them, let alone sign someone who can do everything Larsson does for this team. A lot of times the best way to get a shutdown top four RHD is to just keep the one you already have. Minten, Timmins, and a first round pick isn't bad value for Larsson in a trade, but given Seattle's current position, roster construction, and franchise trajectory, I don't really see a move like that making a ton of sense for them right now. The Kraken aren't likely to be trading Larsson or Daccord anytime soon in my view.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 1 at 8:46 p.m.
Thread:
Whats The Cost Seattle Fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ATC</b></div><div>Yeah it just doesnt make any sense short or long term. We've had a run of some truly awful goaltending, this guy comes out of nowhere and gives us hope and we're gunna deal that for picks?
If he werent signed for next year too I might consider it. But goaltending being what it is in the nhl, Im happy to ride this high until the carriage turns back into a pumpkin lol.</div></div>
I'm with you there. Also, this is Daccord's first full-time role in the NHL, and he's certainly taken the opportunity and run with it so far. Who knows, maybe he sustains his high level play and entrenches himself as a longer-term part of Seattle's goaltending tandem. We'll see, but I'm hopeful and I'll be rooting for Joey.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 1 at 8:38 p.m.
Thread:
Whats The Cost Seattle Fans
For all the reasons listed by ATC above, I don't think the Kraken would seriously consider moving Daccord. However, if Edmonton or another team were to make an offer, the cost would undoubtedly be quite steep. Given Seattle has had goalie issues of their own in the past and Daccord is on the best run of form by a Kraken goaltender ever, I think right now you're looking at a first round pick or a conditional second round pick that becomes a first if Edmonton makes a certain round of the playoffs (a la the Fleury to Minnesota deal) to get Seattle to listen.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 1 at 7:36 p.m.
Thread:
Elite depth
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyManiac95</b></div><div>I feel like Kraken fans would hate that</div></div>
You'd be correct about that, at least from my point of view.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MeetYourMakar</b></div><div>Nice post. Im interested to see the Kraken feedback</div></div>
A first rounder might be enough for one of Borgen or Tolvanen, but certainly not both. In addition, both are important parts of a Kraken team that has clawed its way back into the playoff picture and are young enough to be part of future Kraken teams that would be more serious contenders, so I doubt Seattle will seriously consider moving either player anytime soon.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 30, 2023 at 3:05 a.m.
Thread:
Re-Tool
I don't know if you're joking or not, but the odds of Seattle agreeing to a trade like that are less than zero. Beniers and Wright are slated to be the Kraken's one-two punch at center for the next decade or so. There is absolutely no way either, let alone both, are getting traded for a rental player, even one as good as Guentzel.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 28, 2023 at 5:52 p.m.
Thread:
Trying to see how this would fit Ferraro and Borgen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsmustwin</b></div><div>And I suppose the 3rd and 4th pick as well as 3 players is still nothing lol it is an overpay already.</div></div>
I don't think the third and fourth round picks nor the players are worth nothing, but this is a case of offering a bunch of quantity for a quality player. The team with the quality player would say no to that type of offer because none of what they would get in return would equal the impact of the player they are losing. Some of the five pieces in the offer you made could be the secondary/tertiary assets in a deal, but you're missing the high value centerpiece that would interest the Kraken.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 28, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
Thread:
trade with wpg
I can't see Seattle having any interest in that whatsoever. Gourde is worth more than a single third round pick. He may not light up the scoresheet, but he is the sort of third line center every team loves to have. Gourde kills penalties, takes on tough defensive assignments, elevates the play of his linemates, and steps up in the playoffs. In Seattle he's the pivot for their most productive line with Tolvanen and Bjorkstrand. The Kraken will likely be quite reluctant to trade Gourde, and won't let him go easily.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 28, 2023 at 2:33 p.m.
Thread:
Only 1 trade at the deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLBRIAN</b></div><div>He has this year and next year on his contract. 1st + 3rd for him. 3rd for Daccord. Seems reasonable. I doubt it is much short. Maybe 1st + Niemela instead but I would rather keep him.
1st + 3 x 3rds + Sammy? Is that more fair?</div></div>
I think with that valuation you're a bit short on both players. I would say more even value is something like Niemelä and first and third round picks for Larsson unretained and a second round pick (or whatever the prospect equivalent of that is for Toronto) for Daccord. I make those valuations with the assumption all picks will be later in the round given Toronto's status as a playoff contender.
However, I don't really believe Seattle is going to be super willing to sell either player barring an offer too good to refuse (which would be more on top of what I said above) given their franchise outlook. They're by no means out of the playoff race yet, and even if they end up outside the playoff picture and selling at the deadline, they'll be gunning for a return to the postseason and beyond next year. Larsson and Daccord, important as they are to the Kraken currently, would be much more useful in that effort than a package of primarily futures. For that reason, I don't see Larsson, Daccord, or really any of Seattle's important contributors under contract/with RFA control past this season going anywhere this trade deadline.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 28, 2023 at 1:12 p.m.
Thread:
Trying to see how this would fit Ferraro and Borgen
Nothing in your proposed trade package for Borgen would convince Seattle to part ways with him. Abruzzese is a 24 year old AHL winger who's running out of time to establish himself as an NHLer at all, and it's hard to see him getting that chance with all the other forwards the Kraken have. Lajoie and Rifai are minor league defenseman who wouldn't be any further up the pecking order in Seattle.
The Kraken appear to value Borgen quite highly, and given his role on the team and contract they're not inclined to move him. If any team wants to trade for him it's probably going to have to be an offer too good to refuse, and in my mind a team would need to a couple of good assets rather than five mediocre ones to get Seattle to seriously listen.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 27, 2023 at 12:19 a.m.
Thread:
TDL 2023-2024
Seattle would decline that trade pretty quickly. Ryker Evans is Seattle's top defensive prospect and has done quite well in his first taste of NHL action. Long term, the plan appears to be for him to supplant Schultz in the lineup, so the Kraken won't be trading him anytime soon.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 26, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
Thread:
Whats the plan next season
I think a lot of the details will depend on how Seattle performs ROS, but broadly speaking they appear to be building a core with an eye towards really emerging as a contender within the next 1-3 years, and that goal will remain the same regardless of how this season plays out.
There are quite a few veteran contributors in place already, players like McCann, Dunn, Larsson, Tolvanen, and others. The team has drafted really well over their first few drafts, so the plan is for young players like Beniers, Wright, Evans, and others to establish themselves more and more, combining with the veterans to form a cohesive, serious core.
With regards to this offseason in particular, I think most of the veterans on expiring deals will depart, with Wright and Evans filling the shoes of Wennberg and Schultz. I believe Seattle will make a push to elevate their goalscoring and upgrade the forward group, be that by trade or free agency. Goaltending is a wild card. Daccord has done really well in his first taste of full time NHL action, but Grubauer hasn't been able to replicate his success from last year's postseason. I don't really know how the Kraken will address this area of the team, but I do believe Daccord has earned a role as part of the Kraken goalie tandem going forward.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Dec. 26, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.
Thread:
Deadline adding to the young core
I do think you've got about the right valuations on Seattle's rental players if they end up selling this trade deadline. However, I'm not a big fan of the Pittsburgh deal for the Kraken, and I'm definitely not a fan at all of the Bjorkstrand-Kakko swap. I think it's important to note that even if Seattle is a seller, they'd in all likelihood be conducting a soft sell. Important contributors with term/RFA control would be quite difficult to pry away from them, as Ron Francis and co. would be relying on those players to return to the playoffs and beyond next season and in the near future.
Tolvanen is young enough to be part of that future core for the Kraken, and has really fit in well with the team since arriving. He's much more of a sure thing than Broz and POJ, so for that reason I believe the Kraken would elect to just hang onto Tolvy if this offer presented itself. POJ isn't the best fit on the team anyway with Ryker Evans around. FWIW, I'm not sure this is a smart swap for the Penguins either, they already have the oldest roster in the NHL and that isn't getting them anywhere, I think at this point they should probably hold onto all the young players/prospects they can.
Kakko still has promise and talent that could be unlocked with a change of scenery, and contributes in other ways than offense, but there is no way it's worth it for the Kraken to trade one of their best forwards in his prime for him, let alone also retain half of Bjorkstrand's salary for the next two and a half seasons on top of that. I don't think Kakko alone has that level of trade value at this point, and his ceiling at this stage might be comparable to what Bjorkstrand is now. Bjorkstrand is the more sure thing than Kakko right now and with his age and contract situation is also expected to be a part of the emerging Kraken core, so Seattle would likely prefer Bjorky to Kakko.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Dec. 25, 2023 at 12:43 p.m.
Thread:
MERRY CHRISTMAS CF COMMUNITY
Merry Christmas everyone!
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 23, 2023 at 8:15 p.m.
Thread:
TDL Pt1
If Seattle ended up doing a quick retool, the plan would be to return to the playoffs next season and build into a legitimate contender within the next couple of years. In that timeframe, Larsson would still be capable of continuing his high level play, and would thus be a major part of any near future contending Kraken team. He's under team control through next season, and given how well he has meshed with the Kraken since his arrival, I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him extended. Add all that up, and the impact he would have on the Kraken in the next 1-3 years exceeds what Timmins, Robertson, and the rest of the package on offer would provide. For those reasons I don't see Seattle trading Larsson to the Leafs or anyone else anytime soon. I'm sure they would at least answer the phone from interested parties, but I believe it would take an offer too good to refuse to pry Larsson away from Seattle.
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 22, 2023 at 5:31 p.m.
Thread:
Acquiring and signing Elias Lindholm like Bo Horvat Part 1
From an outsider's perspective, I get the framework, but there's a few key differences between this proposed deal and the Horvat one from last year that I think are worth noting.
First, the Islanders at the time were on the playoff bubble, and their first round pick was expected to land in the middle of the first round of a very strong draft class (ultimately it landed at #17). By contrast, the Avs are expected to be cup contenders, so their first round pick this year will probably be closer to the end of the first round in not as strong of a draft class. Secondly, Räty was a higher rated prospect at the time he was traded than Olausson is currently. So I think the idea of the trade is sound, but Colorado would need to send a higher valued prospect than Olausson and add additional draft compensation of some sort to compensate for their first round pick likely being late in the round.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Dec. 21, 2023 at 11:40 a.m.
Thread:
Larsson to Jets
Seattle would shoot this down very quickly. Even if they don't return to the playoffs this season, the Kraken would likely be aiming for a quick bounceback, and Larsson's a massively important piece of their team who would play a critical role in that. I believe it would take an offer too good to refuse to pry him out of Seattle, and this doesn't come close to being that. Stanley and Chisholm would by and large remain stuck in the same 7th/8th defenseman roles they currently occupy, and even if one of them did draw into the lineup they'd be on the third pair at best. Neither has the trade value to be the centerpiece of a Larsson deal. Overall this package seems like a bunch of okay but not great assets for a top four RHD, and that's not an enticing swap at all for the Kraken.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Dec. 21, 2023 at 1:28 a.m.
Thread:
Bruins Deadline Move
That trade offer would be met with a very quick no from Seattle. Bjorkstrand is the better, more well rounded forward and has been the superior player this season, not to mention he's signed for the next couple of seasons at a very reasonable rate. The two draft picks aren't enough to bridge the value gap between DeBrusk, and Bjorkstrand, especially if Seattle is retaining several years worth of cap. Furthermore, if the Kraken trade Bjorky it would be a signal they're punting on this season, meaning DeBrusk with his expiring contract wouldn't be of much use to them anyway. So overall, the trade doesn't make any sense for the Kraken from a roster construction or value perspective.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Dec. 19, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
Thread:
Deadline moves id love to see
Seattle declines this before Toronto's done explaining their offer, for so many reasons.
1. Even in a vacuum, Larsson's value is far, FAR, higher than Samsonov's.
2. Samsonov's numbers this season are horrendous. His save percentage and GAA are worse than any goalie on the Kraken roster. That's not a super high bar to clear, but Samsonov fails to do even that.
3. It's highly unlikely Seattle will entertain trading away Larsson anytime soon. He's too important to the team and they wouldn't be able to realistically replace him. Plus, even if they did consider dealing him, it would signal a more serious retool. In that hypothetical scenario, Samsonov, a pending UFA, would hold zero value to the Kraken.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Dec. 19, 2023 at 1:27 a.m.
Thread:
Long pencil guentzel
I've seen this swap a lot on ACGMs recently, and I just don't see Seattle considering it whatsoever. They'll have a much easier time finding another forward to boost their offense than they would replacing their top pairing RHD who leads the team in minutes and regularly goes up against the best the opposition can offer. Any benefits of adding Kuzmenko would be more than canceled out by the negative impact of losing Larsson.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Dec. 18, 2023 at 5:35 p.m.
Thread:
treway
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KrakBirds23</b></div><div>LOL. Seattle passes for all reasons cited above. If they are retaining any salary then more picks/high prospects will need to come back to them. Bjorkstrand's on favorable contract that means he probably isn't available. Larsson's got too much term left.
I'd trade Daccord for Samsonov straight up though. Fans here seem to like Daccord but he's not the goalie to build around.</div></div>
I agree with you on everything except Daccord/Samsonov. I don't think Daccord is a bonafide franchise goalie or anything, but Samsonov's numbers this season are atrocious, worse than Grubauer's in fact. Plus he's a UFA at the end of the season, so barring a miraculous midseason turnaround he's not going to help Seattle in any way. By contrast, this is Daccord's first season as a full time NHLer, and he's doing pretty well relative to expectations. I think he can be a good 1B tandem goalie, so all Seattle needs to do is find that 1A netminder to pair with him. That's easier said than done of course, but the point is I'd take Daccord over Samsonov ten times out of ten.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Dec. 15, 2023 at 9:15 p.m.
Thread:
How much is larsson worth
I will preface this by saying the odds of Larsson getting traded anytime soon are slim to none, given his contract and importance to the current Kraken team. The Tatar trade further signals Seattle is not ready to punt on this season quite yet. However, purely hypothetically, I would say he'd cost a top-four defensive prospect, a first round pick, and a second round pick. If Seattle were to retain half his cap hit, add on an extra mid-round pick to that. Considering Toronto doesn't have any second round picks for the foreseeable future, the second rounder could be swapped out for a prospect of equal value, but that would depend on how Seattle rates Toronto's prospects.
Forum:
NHL Trades
Dec. 15, 2023 at 8:58 p.m.
Thread:
(COL/SEA) - Tatar for 2024 5th (SEA)
Seems like a fair trade from my perspective. Colorado gets an asset for a player who wasn't fitting in their system for whatever reason. Seattle needs a scoring boost with much of the depth scoring that helped them roll four lines last season MIA and guys like Burakovsky and Schwartz injured. Tatar throughout his career has primarily served as a scoring threat, so hopefully he can provide that for the Kraken and help them move up the standings. If Seattle winds up selling at the deadline anyway, they could probably recoup the pick they traded for him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Dec. 15, 2023 at 2:36 p.m.
Thread:
Oilers TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SwarmChair</b></div><div>Meh. It has an effect but not that big. Here’s what happens when Seattle asks for more than he’s worth based on market comps, the other team just looks elsewhere. Essentially Seattle says we’re not moving him and the deal dies. No one is going to overpay for a mid winger like Bjorkstrand.</div></div>
As I stated above, Seattle traded for Bjorkstrand to have him as a part of the team long term. Considering his play (he's one of Seattle's leading scorers and one third of their best line) and their franchise outlook, the Kraken aren't really itching to move him; any deal would likely be instigated by a different team. If Seattle doesn't get the offer they want in that scenario, they'd be just fine holding onto Bjorky, and no trade would be made.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Dec. 14, 2023 at 7:30 p.m.
Thread:
Oilers TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SwarmChair</b></div><div>Bjorkstrand was a causalty of the Flat Cap. But he’s not the only Winger that was. The entire position has become the first out the door for many organizations not just CBJ. The Krak got Yamo for free for the exact same reason. There’s lot of other examples too. So Bjorkstrand is valued by the market like all the others.</div></div>
The point I'm trying to make is that circumstances play a sizeable role in dictating trades and the player valuations that result from them. Columbus was over the cap and needed to be compliant, thus reducing the return they got for Bjorkstrand, or any other player they would have dealt in that scenario. Their return wasn't just third and fourth round picks, it was those picks plus cap compliance. Seattle, by contrast, has plenty of cap flexibility and doesn't necessarily need salary relief as part of a trade return. They also traded for Bjorkstrand with an eye towards keeping him for several years to come. Therefore, if any team, Edmonton or otherwise, wants to trade for Bjorkstrand, they're going to have to make the trade package worth Seattle's while.
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