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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 3, 2023 at 3:18 p.m.

Thread: Granlund Buyout

Sadly, this is a good approximation of what the Karlsson trade would look like. Of course it's hard given the need for a 3rd team to facilitate and Chiarot's 10 team no trade list.

My one hope would be for the conditional pick to be upgraded to an unconditional 2nd.

All these trade protections should be rolled back to make trades more feasible. Idk maybe limit the number a team can give out to 3.

Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2023 at 7:39 p.m.

Thread: Lines from a non sharks fan

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>xercuses</b></div><div>Well tbf if everyone fires on all cylinders y’all still suck

That defense woof</div></div>
Why is Vlasic scratched? He played well last season.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 28, 2023 at 3:02 p.m.

Thread: Ek65

Not a bad offer for Karlsson. Honestly throw Driedger in there and save the 3rd round pick. To complete the trade, Sharks might like a prospect like Ty Nelson who has some offensive upside as a RHD.

Trade ends up being two contracts, two prospects from the second tier of the Kraken system, a 1st, and a 2nd.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 25, 2023 at 2:31 p.m.

Thread: Fitting in EK

I think that's a reasonable trade from a Sharks perspective, but management would probably want Pickering over Smith. Maybe adjust the value of the conditional 2nd (e.g. drop the conditions or later round pick) to compensate.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 23, 2023 at 11:40 p.m.

Thread: long awaited transfer

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>There was very little market for Burns. He wanted out.

There is very little market for Karl. He wants out.

Burns is more steady and reliable.
Karl is more dynamic but only available for about 2/3 of a season.

The return will be quite similar (with whatever is required to move Petry / Granlund added into it).</div></div>
I don't disagree too much, but I'm just very puzzled why there wasn't more of a market for Burns. Maybe he used his 3 team trade list to effectively control his destiny.

At the very least Karlsson seems open to more teams. And I hope you do realize how pitiful the return for Burns was. We essentially traded a top 10 RHD with $8.1M retained for a 3rd, a 4th liner, and an unranked AHL prospect.

By your logic if the Penguins gave up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Karlsson, they'd already be paying more than what Burns fetched. Literally two mid picks for a Norris trophy winner and you still have to pay him $10M not to play for you.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 23, 2023 at 11:22 p.m.

Thread: solving cap issues

This is way too much for Karlsson.

Pens fans (who I believe are somewhat misguided) are offering packages that you could reproduce if you were to remove Nylander and Murray then add $3M in retention on Karlsson.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 23, 2023 at 5:05 p.m.

Thread: long awaited transfer

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>He did. Burns is older, but he has missed 14 games in his last 9 seasons combined. Karl has 1 full season in his last 6 years. Karl is also double Burns' cap hit.

Karl also shot over 10% on the year 5v5. His career numbers are roughly half that.

He had a really good and lucky season. He also has a NMC and wants out, with very few teams interested.

Sorry but he is not worth much more than what Burns got.</div></div>
Except Burns fetched maybe a quarter of his market value in that trade because apparently nobody except Carolina was paying attention (and Grier wanted to do Burns a favor).

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 23, 2023 at 4:51 p.m.

Thread: long awaited transfer

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfkst1</b></div><div>Yes and that selectively ignores the previous three years and the next four. Hence why I specifically stated he wasn't worth $9m over the first four years of his contract. If Karlsson has been a Norris contender all of the last four years his trade value would be extremely high.</div></div>
Yeah sorry I misread your comment as meaning he had never been worth his cap hit in any of the first four years of his current deal.

However, with retention he should be a significant steal now that he's healthy and playing a style that suits him.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 23, 2023 at 4:49 p.m.

Thread: long awaited transfer

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>Burns isn’t a comparable.

Burns was 37 with a contract taking him to 40 at the time of his trade. No one wanted Burns at ages 38, 39, 40.

EK65 is 33 with a contract taking him to 37 (and just had the best season of his career).</div></div>
Except half the league should have wanted Burns for his age 38, 39, and 40 year seasons if they had been paying attention. Especially at a $5.3M cap hit.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 23, 2023 at 4:09 p.m.

Thread: long awaited transfer

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfkst1</b></div><div>No team Karlsson would waive his NMC would take him for free. Four years retention of $2.5m isn't worth this package. Karlsson hasn't been a worth a $9m cap hit over the first four years of his contract. Dubas and Waddell are not paying Karlsson like he is a perennial Norris contender. Because he hasn't been. And there's little reason to think he will be over the next 4 years. If San Jose is demanding that kind of return then they simply won't be trading him.</div></div>
Karlsson was worth more than his full contract ($11.5M) this past season.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2023 at 9:08 a.m.

Thread: Lines

Vlasic will play top 4 minutes again. Either Knyzhov or Simek would get bumped out of the lineup.

Lindblom should be the 12th/13th forward based on performance last year. At least staple him to the 4th line.

I like Eklund with Hertl to balance size and creativity.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 30, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.

Thread: Building a Foundation to grow

I don't think you can offload LaBanc in a cap saving move for NY.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 30, 2023 at 8:08 a.m.

Thread: Oilers

Sharks accept instantly.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 28, 2023 at 1:18 p.m.

Thread: 2023-24 roster

I think the Murray trade would be fair if you added another 3rd and dropped the 5th coming back. Sharks could be interested if they ship out Kahkonen.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 28, 2023 at 9:17 a.m.

Thread: Adding Karlsson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian_O_Blivion</b></div><div>Sharks have two goalies. SJ is not a catch all for all your crap contracts anyway.</div></div>
Yes but they're both expiring and the Sharks are tanking this year. The retention amount is actually low in this deal which is the biggest win for the Sharks. Then we get 2 1sts, 2 3rds, and some okay to decent prospects. I would hope GMMG would accept something like this.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 27, 2023 at 7:47 p.m.

Thread: Karlsson return will be disappointing for Sharks fans

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devsfan25</b></div><div>Would you do Sharangovich and a 3rd for Barabonov</div></div>
Looks like you got a much better player than Barabanov for that package. Great move for the Devils!

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 27, 2023 at 12:23 p.m.

Thread: 23-24

Sharks probably accept that deal since the org is low on Labanc. Maybe remove the 4th round pick, but not a deal breaker.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 25, 2023 at 9:01 p.m.

Thread: Karlsson return will be disappointing for Sharks fans

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sharksdoee</b></div><div>Sure, the return might be disappointing, but this isn't even remotely a good trade for SJ. It'll take a 1st for someone to take on Campbell and no one's paying anything for Ceci.</div></div>
Fair. 4 years on Campbell's contract may be too much. Replace Campbell with Yamamoto and Foegele. Again the team likely won't be Edmonton.

But the trade will likely include cap dumps coming to the Sharks

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 25, 2023 at 8:22 p.m.

Thread: Karlsson return will be disappointing for Sharks fans

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devsfan25</b></div><div>Would you do Sharangovich and a 3rd for Barabonov</div></div>
Personally I would not because I'm not convinced on Sharangovich. Sharks would probably prefer a 2nd in his place.

After Zetterlund came over and disappeared with weaker teammates, I would be concerned about Sharangovich doing the same. I don't think the Sharks are in a good place right now to get the best out of players.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 24, 2023 at 9:37 a.m.

Thread: Canes go value

I don't think Hertl waives his NMC, but a 1st plus prospects would be an acceptable deal. Maybe the Canes give up better prospects (not Morrow or Nikishin) or more picks to improve on this package.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 23, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.

Thread: Karlsson to SEA and Couture to TOR

Shane Wright won't be moved. You never get top top prospects in trades.

Maybe Seattle gives up their #2 and #3 prospects instead.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 10, 2023 at 5:51 p.m.

Thread: Next year

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KrakBirds23</b></div><div>Seattle isn't going to make a trade for EK due to the contract. Giving up a first and a top prospect make it even less likely.</div></div>
Sure maybe it's a bad idea for the Kraken to trade for Karlsson, but you generally have to give up good picks and prospects for the reigning Norris winner.

If anything this trade favors the Kraken in terms of value. But I understand that fact doesn't mean you would want to trade for him.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 9, 2023 at 11:01 p.m.

Thread: Columbus Playoffs

Was Merzlikins injured last year because this team goes nowhere without him rebounding substantially?

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 8, 2023 at 1:16 p.m.

Thread: cup winning team

I think that's a fair trade for Barabanov, but it's sad the picks are 2024-2025.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 3, 2023 at 1:48 p.m.

Thread: SJS 2023 off-season

Although you got pushback from fans of other teams, you did a good job at crafting these trades. Most are approaching fair value, which can't be said of a lot of ACGMs.

I wonder if GMMG is plotting a rebuild like this (i.e. tear it all down for max picks) or whether he tries to slowly turn things around. A Karlsson trade and what we do at goaltender will answer that question.

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