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Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 8:58 p.m.
Thread:
Singing the Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sicarius</b></div><div>This is ludicrous.
Tkachuk Would not be the best player on the Blues roster and the Blues are not “losing Tarasenko”
If teams want Tarasenko the return is a 1st plus good prospect and maybe more. The Blues are never in a million years trading Thomas for Tkachuk.
Even if Tarasenko is traded after this year the Blues would never be pursuing Tkachuk. He simply costs too much money and the Blues are stocked with wingers.
Schenn will be a permanent winger as well, just a fyi.
So this trade proposal is just wrong in so many ways.</div></div>
I'm not sure what is wrong here?
1) The list of Blues players that you could argue today are better than Matthew Tkachuk start and end with Jordan Kyrou. By any advanced metric you want to use (Corsi, Fenwick, Point Shares, etc.) Tkachuk is better than anyone the Blues have signed. His 4.4 point share is higher than anyone on the roster (Kyrou is the Blues' highest with 4.3). He has a higher Corsi (both actual and relative) than anyone on the roster (Krug is team best with 7.1 rel at even strength, Tkachuk is at 9.2). And it isn't like this is a one year flash thing -- Tkachuk has been consistently really good for several seasons. It should not be a controversial take that he's a better player than the Blues have. That's not a slight; he's just a truly great player and the Blues are good because they have a lot of guys that are very good.
2) The Blues are absolutely "losing Tarasenko" unless he has a massive change of heart and decides to re-up with the team after next year. A very unlikely prospect at this point.
3) Agree on your return for Tarasenko if the Blues were not contending and shipping him out for picks. This is different -- Tkachuk is a better/more valuable player than Tarasenko and anyone that isn't a massive Blues homer would steadfastly agree.
4) In this case you are shipping Tarasenko for Tkachuk so not sure how the Blues would be overstocked with wingers. It's not like Tkachuk would be blocking a world beating talent.
5) Yes, cap is tricky. Tkachuk probably 8.5x8. You lose Tarasenko's 7.5, but then you also have to pay Kyrou who will command at least 7.5. Thomas will need 5.5-6.0 in his own right so DA has a LOT of cap navigation to work out. Schenn/Parayko/Binnington/Krug/Faulk contracts are really tough in an environment where the cap isn't going up.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 6:43 p.m.
Thread:
Final Chycrun offer 3 options
This looks about right to me in terms of what the Blues would give up, though I hold out hope they could include a young roster forward (e.g. Kostin) rather than Neighbours or Bolduc. With that said, if that's the only sticking point I think the deal gets done; Blues are 100% win now and Chychrun would be a massive blue line upgrade.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 6:38 p.m.
Thread:
2 year plan year 2 start of year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>xercuses</b></div><div>Blues easily easily decline no cap space and no room he proably be a healthy scratch most night in stl</div></div>
Lehkonen is pretty good and would definitely make the roster but to your point there is no cap space and no need for another middle 6 forward.
Really interesting seeing how many fan bases want Tanner Dickinson.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 6:36 p.m.
Thread:
Gio and Appleton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_K</b></div><div>If that package gets Chychrun then I say you go for it, but I'm not entirely convinced that it's a fit for ARI. Scotty is only a few months younger than Chych and the Yotes should be building a core of even younger players... I think some of the offers that they would get would include a younger, more promising player as the base. For example, if LA puts Clarke or Turcotte on the table.</div></div>
Good point on Perunovich's age, but he is still on ELC so I think it's fair to treat him as a bit younger than his actual age -- you figure they keep him under team control for the next 5 or 6 years at least. With that said Chych does have 3 more years on his deal and you'd think the Coyotes would hope to have a good team on the ice by that point. I don't think they are in a position where they have to trade him like Seattle does with Gio so you very well might be right that Perunovich+Kostin+Scandella+1st doesn't get it done, especially if teams like LA come with better offers.
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Fauteuil - DG
Jan. 10, 2022 at 4:03 p.m.
Thread:
Rebuild
At this point I wouldn't be stunned to see Chiarot get a 1st but the Blues aren't going to add a high upside guy like Dickinson.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 3:30 p.m.
Thread:
Thoughts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chopper02</b></div><div>I dont disagree. It's been pretty disappointing to see. It doesn't help he's been paired with other defenseman who are bottom pairing (Perunovich, Mikkola, Scandella) Granted, I know he's been getting more playing time and going up against top lines, but he really hasn't been good enough. If they go after an Arizona defender, they'll go after Chychrun.</div></div>
Agree but he also played with guys like Krug and Faulk and didn't get it done either. Now that he's got a big paycheck, he needs to be carrying the pairing. The team should be able to get away with putting a dude like Scandella on the other side and not have it turn into an unmitigated disaster.
Also interesting that some of his partners (Krug, Scandella) have been noticeably better with someone else on the right side. Probably more to do with the assignment and competition level, but still.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 3:23 p.m.
Thread:
22-23
No on Sundqvist -- production is down this year but he's a good player on a terrific value contract; not getting traded for low draft picks.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 2:44 p.m.
Thread:
Gio and Appleton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_K</b></div><div>I kinda like this. Agree with you that Kostin would be the odd man out with Brown + Neighbours so might as well move him. Gio is a better target than Chiarot - just going to be hard to find a trade partner that would take Marco back the other way (and a place that isn't on Marco's no-trade list). I definitely worry about Gio's foot speed but if he brought stability to the Parayko pairing, the cost would be worth it. And then you hope for a Bozak-like situation where Gio likes the fit and signs on for a dirt cheap deal w bonuses. Feels like the Blues don't have the prospect firepower for Chychrun so this would be a nice lesser move.</div></div>
Gio would bring so much to the blue line in terms of experience and ability to play...the more I think about it the more I like it. Krug-Faulk, Gio-Parayko, Mikkola/Perunovich-Bortz (or one of those guys plays their off hand).
Still not clean on the 3rd pairing but it's playable.
I think the question is do you move Kostin+Scandella+1st for Gio or add Perunovich and get Chychrun instead?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.
Thread:
Could Mayfield Get a 1st
Man it is hard for me to envision a scenario in which Scott Mayfield gets a 1st round pick. But if he does it won't be in STL unless Mayfield can play his off hand; the need here is LD not RD.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 2:32 p.m.
Thread:
Thoughts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chopper02</b></div><div>They need someone who can actually play defense very efficiently. Ghost bear nor Mikkola are good enough defensively.</div></div>
You are right, but it just highlights the underlying issue that Parayko has not been good enough.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 2:30 p.m.
Thread:
Singing the Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BluesBandit</b></div><div>Tkachuk can walk after next year if he’s not extended.</div></div>
He's under team control; Tarasenko is not. He's also 6 years younger, has produced more consistently, and is a better two way player. If he could be had for a guy like Tarasenko + a 1st rounder he would have already been traded.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 2:12 p.m.
Thread:
Singing the Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BluesBandit</b></div><div>Let’s say both walk after next year. Tarasenko is out scoring Tkachuk this year. Tkatchuk will probably ask for 9+ this offseason and I’d bet Tarasenko out scores him next year. Maybe he doesn’t, but will MT score so much more than VT that he’ll cover the difference in salary? Probably not.</div></div>
Tkachuk is an RFA and 24 years old, he can't just walk. He'd be a trade and sign (similar to Buchnevich). Tarasenko is a 30 year old UFA after one more season with no team control. That changes the math on their respective values massively.
Tkachuk is only one year older than Kyrou and Perunovich and two years older than Thomas just to give a frame of reference. His best years are still ahead and he's already one of the top 50 or so players in the league.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 1:45 p.m.
Thread:
Singing the Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BluesBandit</b></div><div>Tarasenko and a pick for Tkachuk, he’s probably going to hold out again this offseason and they’re both great fits on the other team. I’m not sure VT waives for Calgary but that’s not what CapFriendly is for.</div></div>
Tarasenko with 1 year left and a pick isn't nearly enough for Tkachuk.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.
Thread:
Singing the Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>xercuses</b></div><div>I’ll trade you Schenn and VT instead and we can add picks for tkachuck</div></div>
Sure that is a (much) better deal for STL but Calgary ain't biting without at least one good younger asset. Maybe Perunovich + a 1st rounder could replace Thomas but I doubt it.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 1:33 p.m.
Thread:
Singing the Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>xercuses</b></div><div>Blues can pay it and Thomas is a center so he holds a lot of value there while we don’t need another winger</div></div>
Tkachuk is better than any forward (or player for that matter) the Blues have on the roster and is an unbelievably good fit in STL. If you are losing Tarasenko anyway this is a no brainer IMO.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 1:26 p.m.
Thread:
Singing the Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>xercuses</b></div><div>Blues decline Thomas isn’t going anywhere</div></div>
Thomas would certainly go somewhere if it meant Tkachuk in return. If Tarasenko still wants to go after the season he's basically a lame duck in St. Louis. The days of Thomas being cost controlled are coming to an end and he's going to get at least ~$5.0 AAV in the very near future.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.
Thread:
Gio and Appleton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>I guess I'll be <em>that </em>guy: Not really interested in that. If the '22 1st leaves it better be something like Chych or Lindholm coming back.</div></div>
Man, I don't know...if they can add Gio and not have to give up Perunovich going the other way like he'd have to in a Chychrun or Lindholm trade, I'm all in. You are talking about a low-mid 1st rd pick anyway. I love the idea of Parayko having a seasoned vet on the other side, especially one that could help him have more offensive impact.
As for Appleton, he's a taxi squad guy or AHL. Doubt he sees ice unless another round of injury/COVID problems.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 1:14 p.m.
Thread:
Thoughts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chopper02</b></div><div>Blues have no interest in Ghost Bear.</div></div>
I'm not sure that's true. He'd be an interesting pairing with Parayko if they want to move Mikkola down to play with Bortz.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 10, 2022 at 1:12 p.m.
Thread:
Singing the Blues
I could see it after the season, but not during.
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
Jan. 5, 2022 at 10:15 p.m.
Thread:
Chiarot Blues
I dunno this feels a bit unbalanced -- Blues probably need to add Kyrou and another pick to the mix to make this happen.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 5, 2022 at 6:50 p.m.
Thread:
Blockbuster
Hah, this one is fun, but I don't think either team would bite.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 5, 2022 at 6:13 p.m.
Thread:
Chychrun Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bigfoot</b></div><div>Not Chairot lol</div></div>
Maybe, maybe not. I'm reminded of the Scandella trade from a few seasons back; a Chiarot deal would have a similar look and feel. I'd expect price to be similar as well, a 2nd and 4th sounds right.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 5, 2022 at 6:05 p.m.
Thread:
Chychrun Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Replace Bolduc with Neighbors, remove the 2nd and 3rd and its probably fair</div></div>
I considered Neighbours but I don't think DA is willing to trade him, just a hunch.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 5, 2022 at 6:02 p.m.
Thread:
Chychrun Trade
Will note here that I don't think it is likely the Blues look in this direction; a player like Chiarot is much more in scope.
The Blues are desperate to find someone that can help Parayko regain the magic from the 2018-19 cup run -- to this point there hasn't been another player that has been able to stick like Bouwmeester did. Mikkola is showing promise but the results have been very uneven.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 1, 2020 at 12:15 p.m.
Thread:
GMTM
That's the worst trade ever for the Blues, why in the hell would they do that?
Oh...right. Lol.
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