Mitch is ur best player points wise every year since he joined the team

No, you're right, he's not the problem... his contract is. You guys had Matthews and Kadri as your 1C and 2C to go along with Hyman, Johnsson, Marner, Nylander and Kapanen on the wings. Your biggest need was defense and you knew Matthews, Nylander and Marner were all due new contracts... that 11m spent on Tavares would have gone a long way to addressing other needs that were more important.

Again, not saying, going after someone of Tavares caliber is a bad move... just saying it was the wrong move for Toronto and now they are paying the price.

Also, by your last statement in your post, I'm assuming your implying that Marner is the problem because he won't sign for what the Leafs dictate he is worth? Well, why should he? He out produced both Matthews and Tavares last year... why shouldn't he be paid like them?

I'll agree with some that think Mitch deserves Matthews money. But just because the Leafs overpaid Matthews (and Nylander), the Leafs do not have to continue the tradition. So it isn't that Marner has to settle for hometown discount as some Leaf haters imply. Marner should be signed by the Leafs at the going "rate". And is sure ain't 11m., not 10m, even 9m, depending on term could be a stretch.
Marner has the right to sign with any team. Why hasn't he done that? Likely those offers aren't much different than the Leafs offers.

Not sure what you mean by this. Aho had 83 points and Marner had 94 this past season. New math??

....was... was there a first part to this....?

So, explain this to me... if the Leafs overpaid Matthews and Nylander, why should Marner settle on not getting the same? I mean, you're right in that the Leafs don't have to continue the trend, but the opposite also goes in that Marner doesn't have to settle for less just because they Leafs picked him to stop a trend they started with previous players.

Except in the first season, the reason he scored more is because hes played more and had better linemates. In his second season marner had 6 more points in 20 more games. He is the league leader in even strength goals over the last three years. He has had more assists but matthews has had more goals which are worth more

Durability concerns aren’t good news for a 21 year old

should've signed matthews for 5.5 million smh

His two major injuries were on his shoulders. I'm not a doctor but what I've read and the reports I see that hes had them tightened up so those injuries wont happen again. There isnt a reason he needs to play a full 82 games in the regular season anyways

truly elite players play 83 games per season. matthews must do better.

Hey man I’m not saying Matthews isn’t elite I’m just saying that by every single metric expect even strength goals I guess marner is the better player. Him not having a contract doesn’t change that, even if you’d like it to

It's hard to say with Matthews, but for argument sake let's say he's overpaid by a million at his term.

And it seems that the general consensus is that Nylander is overpaid by about 500k or so based on comparables.

Marner apparently has a 10M/8yr offer on the table from the leafs. Kucherov's new 9.5M/8yr deal kicks in this year. Kucherov >> Marner. So, to me it seems like Marner already has an offer on the table that is an overpay by 500k to 1M.

If Marner signed that offer Dubas is maintaining his pattern of slightly overpaying his stars to keep them happy. Except Mitch still isn't happy. It's just weird to me.. and I highly doubt he gets a better offer anywhere else. But if he does, then all the power to him for signing it.

You explain to me why he should? (get overpaid) So from the now till eternity the Leafs are forced to overpay for players just because they overpaid two players? By your logic teams that have signed players to team friendly contracts now can hold that contract over other players till eternity? So those teams can underpay all their players? Sure. No, players salaries are governed by the CBA and more importantly league comparables. And no logical Leaf fan or hockey fan would ever suggest that Marner should sign less than the "NHL going rate." If Marner doesn't like the Leafs proposals he certainly has the right to sign any one of thousands of teams, worldwide including the NHL. Or he can just not play professional hockey.
To say the Leafs or forced to a different standard for paying players than other NHL teams. C'mon man

this isn't true but go off

There's no reason for pretty much everyone on the leafs to play 82 games in the regular season. The playoffs are different but the leafs are good enough that they should make the playoffs in their sleep unless everything goes wrong. He doesnt need to be playing meaningless games towards the end of the season and the rest should be good for every player.

Dubas gets a lot of tips from the raps gm, hes 100% about load management.

"isn't close" to Matthews eh? you've never been more wrong my friend...

I’ve to two leaf games in the past calendar year. Gotta say, you throw a decent defense in front of Matthews and you forget he’s even on the ice. Can’t say the same about Mitch though

Says the guy sitting on cap friendly replying to people chirping other people all day...classic.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

marner is better than matthews in every metric from the two leafs games i've watched

Well marner is better metric wise but yeah in the two games I watched I forgot Matthews was there until he tipped the puck into the wrong net then I remembered him again

when he plays 83 games next season he will tip the entire team into the right net.

just watch.

You give up quick. I was expecting the prototypical leafs fan reaction of providing a 1001 analytical reasons as to why Marner isn't close to Matthews. So is the definition of "isn't close' around 500k? I mean maybe they can get Marner for 5 yrs at 11.134.

Ok, Leafs fans need to stop using the Kucherov extension as a comparison to Marner, I know it fits into your narrative but it's not a fair comparison for 2 reasons... first, Kucherov went on record saying he took a TEAM FRIENDLY deal to help TPA with their CAP situation and still be able to sign players to stay competitive. Second, Florida has no state tax, so 9.5m goes much further in Florida then it would elsewhere. If Kucherov signed a non team friendly deal in any other city it likely would have been in the 11.5m range... Now, you can certainly argue that Marner should take the Kucherov approach and help Toronto out, but you simply can't use the CAP hit as a comparison, because the situations are not the same.