For all the Habs fans that are gonna flip about Weber being on here, guy is signed until 2026 at 7.8 mill and if he retires then Nashville potentially faces a 25 mill one year cap hit
I'd argue that Lundqvist shouldn't be on this list. He had 1 rough year (on a very bad team). Before that his save percentages for the last 3 seasons were .915, .910, and .920. I'd say Schneider's contract is worse
zhaitsev deal isnt that bad. ceci's next deal will be 10x worse. webers deal is product of the old RFA offersheets. It was purposely designed to be a horrible deal. Lundqvist deal isnt bad either for the production he gave for the majority of it. Its not like hes jake allen out there on the ice. He can still win you games. If healthy parise and keslers deals are still decent. problem on parise is term not $ and kesler had a couple bad injuries of late. If both hadnt had pretty major injuries these contracts wouldnt be that bad.
It doesn't work that way, you have to have a legit reason for not playing to be eligible for the long term injury list. Every year players have to go for physicals at the start of the season. If Weber is just too old to be effective, he would still be on the roster for the full cap hit. Nashville is probably going to hope he hurts himself and can't play anymore then.
why would he be on ltir before retirement? his contract was super front loaded. his actual cash payments for the next 7 years are: 6, 6, 6, 3, 1, 1, 1 while being 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40. I can see him at 37/38 hanging them up since actual cash payments are only going to total 3m over his final 3 years no signing bonuses all base salary.
I'm so curious to see how the whole Weber contract is going to play out. I mean we all agree he isn't finishing his contract right? Either he gets a sudden rash and can't play or something. Put his body through the rigors of the NHL at 40 for 1M a year.... Can't fathom it happening.
It doesn't work that way, you have to have a legit reason for not playing to be eligible for the long term injury list. Every year players have to go for physicals at the start of the season. If Weber is just too old to be effective, he would still be on the roster for the full cap hit. Nashville is probably going to hope he hurts himself and can't play anymore then.
even if he was on LTIR if he retires nashville gets the recapture penalty which will hurt them real bad in a few years.
even if he was on LTIR if he retires nashville gets the recapture penalty which will hurt them real bad in a few years.
I am not sure what you are saying here. If he is on LTIR for the remainder of his contract, there is no recapture penalty. There is only one if he retires prior to his contracts completion.
I am not sure what you are saying here. If he is on LTIR for the remainder of his contract, there is no recapture penalty. There is only one if he retires prior to his contracts completion.
if he officially retires WHILE being on the LTIR designation wouldnt nashville still get the recapture penalty?
Victor Rask (4x4M) should be the Wild's rep, not Parise. Rask can't even skate any more let alone score. Parise is a first line winger and will be for another three years at least.
if he officially retires WHILE being on the LTIR designation wouldnt nashville still get the recapture penalty?
If he official retires, he wouldn't be on LTIR. So yes but I think you are confusing what the difference is. LTIR is for active players who are injured, in some cases permanently unable to play but they want their money so they don't retire. Retired players aren't active.
You have 2 very different things going on here. Contracts that were bad before the ink dried and contracts that have a good chance to get really ugly before they’re done. Jack Johnson and Milan Lucic were bad deals the day they were signed and have only gotten worse. Zach Parise and Shea Weber still provide good value for their deals, but if they retire early or their play degrades to the point they’re $7m+ 4th line/bottom pair guys, sure those are bad contracts. If they end up on LTIR, they won’t be a problem and in fact could be an attractive contract to have for a team like Ottawa that wants cheap cap hit to save money.
It doesn't work that way, you have to have a legit reason for not playing to be eligible for the long term injury list. Every year players have to go for physicals at the start of the season. If Weber is just too old to be effective, he would still be on the roster for the full cap hit. Nashville is probably going to hope he hurts himself and can't play anymore then.
I know how it works but do you really think he’s lasting 7 more years without having a “injury”
why would he be on ltir before retirement? his contract was super front loaded. his actual cash payments for the next 7 years are: 6, 6, 6, 3, 1, 1, 1 while being 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40. I can see him at 37/38 hanging them up since actual cash payments are only going to total 3m over his final 3 years no signing bonuses all base salary.
I know how it works but do you really think he’s lasting 7 more years without having a “injury”
He could stay healthy and if he does, Nashville will pray he'll be in the press box each and every night when he's too old to play and still has term. Otherwise he could just retire. That's the scenario that very well could happen. But he can't go on LTIR unless he has a legit injury.
He could stay healthy and if he does, Nashville will pray he'll be in the press box each and every night when he's too old to play and still has term. Otherwise he could just retire. That's the scenario that very well could happen. But he can't go on LTIR unless he has a legit injury.
Exactly what I’m saying is you really think he’s lasting 7 more years without one?
Exactly what I’m saying is you really think he’s lasting 7 more years without one?
Sure, Chara's still going and he's over 40. Do I think he'll be at all effective? Not at all, but if he isn't hurt he can't just go on LTIR and call it a day. He'd have to remain an active player and just not play, which I am not sure he'll want to do. So I guess the chances of Nashville getting that recapture penalty is massive.
Exactly what I’m saying is you really think he’s lasting 7 more years without one?
In order to "retire" on LTIR he would either have to have a nasty injury (think broken femur or something like that) in his last couple seasons, a degenerative injury (horton, callahan), or some other minor injury in his last year of contract. he cant just be placed on LTIR and left there for years unless he has a real condition. Savard had serious concussion issues, horton and callahan both have degenerative back and literally cant take the physicality of the game anymore. Nothing says weber has any of that right now. Its more likely he retires at 39 after a hassle of minor injuries than it is he gets put on ltir.