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Get Ceci off my hockey team dude

Created by: Sufferingleafsfan
Initial Creation Date: Nov 7, 2019
Published: Nov 7 at 9:42 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Do it for Dangle

Some real D depth now
Trades
TOR
  1. 2020 6th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Petan, Nicolas
TOR
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. 2020 7th round pick (WPG)
TOR
  1. Walker, Sean
LAK
  1. Kivihalme, Teemu
  2. Marincin, Martin
  3. 2020 6th round pick (CAR)
  4. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
TOR
  1. DeSmith, Casey
PIT
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (WPG)
  2. 2021 4th round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. van Riemsdyk, Trevor
CAR
  1. Timashov, Dmytro
  2. Bracco, Jeremy
  3. 2020 6th round pick (EDM)
  4. 2020 7th round pick (SJS)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
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2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
TOR
COL
EDM
STL
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,341,866$0$0$158,134
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Shore, Nick
$750,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
LAK
Walker, Sean
$745,000
RD
RFA - 1
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
$1,250,000
G
UFA - 3
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
CAR
van Riemsdyk, Trevor
$2,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3

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Nov 7 at 9:44
#1
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Why Winnipeg take Ceci ?
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Nov 7 at 9:58
#2
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Sufferingleafsfan
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Quoting: GMs
Why Winnipeg take Ceci ?


They have an extremely weak right side on their D. Ceci isn't amazing but he's an upgrade over their current d-depth after the summer they had.
Nov 7 at 10:00
#3
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Quoting: Sufferingleafsfan
They have an extremely weak right side on their D. Ceci isn't amazing but he's an upgrade over their current d-depth after the summer they had.


Ok and you think Ceci is the best Dman they can get for a 3rd lmao MTL trade you Weber for Marner because he'll be your best RHD and you have detph on the RW so done deal
Nov 7 at 10:04
#4
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Ceci was a - tonight....what he do LOL
Nov 7 at 10:09
#5
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Sufferingleafsfan
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Quoting: GMs
Ok and you think Ceci is the best Dman they can get for a 3rd lmao MTL trade you Weber for Marner because he'll be your best RHD and you have detph on the RW so done deal


Well in terms of teams that have NHL ready D-Men they want to give up at this point in the season yeah Ceci is probably one of the better options. I'd also be happy with a 4th coming back. MTL and TOR wouldn't trade Weber for Marner
Nov 7 at 10:11
#6
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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OK you don't like Ceci, but isn't kinda ridiculous to expect an NHLer (Walker) to be traded to the Leafs for waiver player, an AHLer and two meaningless picks? Petan's on waivers and you expect a pick in return?
Playoff hopeful Canes trading an NHLer Dman for not much. DeSmith is the Pens third goalie, they just might need him this year.
The usual one sided trades to satisfy Leaf needs.
Nov 7 at 10:11
#7
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Sufferingleafsfan
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Quoting: pharrow
Ceci was a - tonight....what he do LOL


Ceci basically passed the puck to Pacioretty for the Vegas goal
Nov 7 at 10:17
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Sufferingleafsfan
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Quoting: palhal
OK you don't like Ceci, but isn't kinda ridiculous to expect an NHLer (Walker) to be traded to the Leafs for waiver player, an AHLer and two meaningless picks? Petan's on waivers and you expect a pick in return?
Playoff hopeful Canes trading an NHLer Dman for not much. DeSmith is the Pens third goalie, they just might need him this year.
The usual one sided trades to satisfy Leaf needs.


Your critique is fair. Walker trade gives them two possible futures in the picks and a B prospect plus Marincin to fill in on their bottom pair for the rest of the season. Walker is decent but by no means a proven commodity. Picks value could be increased a bit though you're probably right.

Canes have a logjam on their D right now they might be convinced to accept some winger depth that they could use for that playoff push (Timashov) and a B prospect (Bracco) and a small futures return.

Maybe I'm a little low on return value BUT I think these aren't a bad framework to build off of for the Leafs
Nov 7 at 10:28
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Sufferingleafsfan
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Also the title is a reference to a Steve Dangle tweet from tonight
Nov 7 at 10:28
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Quoting: pharrow
Ceci was a - tonight....what he do LOL


Unlucky bounce of the puck that led to a goal. Every D played very well tonight. This guy who made this ACGM is way overreacting.

If the Leafs play this way in their own end for the rest of the season, they will be fine.
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Nov 7 at 10:31
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Quoting: Sufferingleafsfan
Your critique is fair. Walker trade gives them two possible futures in the picks and a B prospect plus Marincin to fill in on their bottom pair for the rest of the season. Walker is decent but by no means a proven commodity. Picks value could be increased a bit though you're probably right.

Canes have a logjam on their D right now they might be convinced to accept some winger depth that they could use for that playoff push (Timashov) and a B prospect (Bracco) and a small futures return.

Maybe I'm a little low on return value BUT I think these aren't a bad framework to build off of for the Leafs


Sean Walker's play has been the single best thing about the Kings season so far (and there's not been a lot of good things). Additionally, the Kings are pretty shallow at RHD, with Doughty and Durzi as the only other two NHL capable options in the system.

I honestly don't think the Kings would trade Walker for anything less than a 1st round pick. I'm not saying that he's worth that or that a team would be willing to pay that, but that's what it would take to acquire him this season.
Nov 7 at 10:48
#12
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If you think Walker is good enough to be a top 4 RD (I don't know much about him so can't say), why would he be available for a depth prospect, a guy is literally on waivers and two late picks?
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Nov 7 at 11:42
#13
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Quoting: Sufferingleafsfan
Ceci basically passed the puck to Pacioretty for the Vegas goal


No need to overreact to everything.! Wait for a larger sample size to draw from.
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Nov 7 at 11:43
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Quoting: oneX
Unlucky bounce of the puck that led to a goal. Every D played very well tonight. This guy who made this ACGM is way overreacting.

If the Leafs play this way in their own end for the rest of the season, they will be fine.


Amen, another person who gets it.
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Nov 8 at 1:32
#15
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Quoting: pharrow
Ceci was a - tonight....what he do LOL


Quoting: Sufferingleafsfan
Ceci basically passed the puck to Pacioretty for the Vegas goal


Trying to clear it from the front of the net while it was rolling. It was an unlucky play but he had no other option. Not a place where he could blindly back hand it or even try to turn around. This is exactly what is wrong with leaf fans. @pharrow watch the replay and tell me I’m wrong.
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Nov 8 at 6:53
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Trying to clear it from the front of the net while it was rolling. It was an unlucky play but he had no other option. Not a place where he could blindly back hand it or even try to turn around. This is exactly what is wrong with leaf fans. @pharrow watch the replay and tell me I’m wrong.


I just watch it.
It happened it a split second. but he played that puck across the front of the net trying to get it out of there. You can't do that as a defenseman high danger way to clear the puck. I think most people would agree with that. It's got to go to the corner, even if it's a blind pass. It's the safer play. Always away from the net. Even if you might lose it in the scrum, it's better than playing it across the goaltender like that.
I'm not going to knock him for it. It was a split second thing, he just whacked it instinctively, panic mode play. Shiznit happens. But you would never teach a young defenseman to do that.
If a team gave up 1 goal on defense, that's not bad. You can't blame the goaltender or the defense for games where you give up 1 goal. I think their frustration is 12 goals in 17 games in 5v5 play. I admit I have not seen them all. So I'm not going to judge.
Even if it was a kind of bone head move. There is 60 minutes in a game. 1 goal is never why a team loses. Toronto won, so it shows they capitalized on some of those other moments.
Now if they coughed up 4 goals or something. That's a different story. Like that 8 minute melt down the Avs exposed last night. That was some chitty defense.
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Nov 8 at 11:19
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Quoting: pharrow
I just watch it.
It happened it a split second. but he played that puck across the front of the net trying to get it out of there. You can't do that as a defenseman high danger way to clear the puck. I think most people would agree with that. It's got to go to the corner, even if it's a blind pass. It's the safer play. Always away from the net. Even if you might lose it in the scrum, it's better than playing it across the goaltender like that.
I'm not going to knock him for it. It was a split second thing, he just whacked it instinctively, panic mode play. Shiznit happens. But you would never teach a young defenseman to do that.
If a team gave up 1 goal on defense, that's not bad. You can't blame the goaltender or the defense for games where you give up 1 goal. I think their frustration is 12 goals in 17 games in 5v5 play. I admit I have not seen them all. So I'm not going to judge.
Even if it was a kind of bone head move. There is 60 minutes in a game. 1 goal is never why a team loses. Toronto won, so it shows they capitalized on some of those other moments.
Now if they coughed up 4 goals or something. That's a different story. Like that 8 minute melt down the Avs exposed last night. That was some chitty defense.


The way I saw it he was clearing it to the corner. Unlucky play. If it wasn’t rolling he would have got it there but a solid 59min and 59sec and one bad second isn’t horrible.
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Nov 8 at 11:27
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Quoting: Jamiepo
The way I saw it he was clearing it to the corner. Unlucky play. If it wasn’t rolling he would have got it there but a solid 59min and 59sec and one bad second isn’t horrible.


Ceci's stats as a Leafs (if they mean anything) have him superior to players such as Hamonic...a golden boy to so many Leaf fans. IMO almost all of the Leafs and their coaches haven't been playing up to their contracts. Amazing how Zaitsev, Gardiner and Hainsey were whipping boys for the uniformed, now it's Ceci. If anything Barrie and Reilly should be criticized for their overall play.
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Nov 8 at 11:35
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Quoting: palhal
Ceci's stats as a Leafs (if they mean anything) have him superior to players such as Hamonic...a golden boy to so many Leaf fans. IMO almost all of the Leafs and their coaches haven't been playing up to their contracts. Amazing how Zaitsev, Gardiner and Hainsey were whipping boys for the uniformed, now it's Ceci. If anything Barrie and Reilly should be criticized for their overall play.


I give Rielly a pass for playing hurt. Barrie, although adjusting, has no excuse. At the same time he just hasn’t been great. Not horrible. The entire team has really looked that way for most of the season. When they finally pull their socks up and start playing things will be much different. All teams go through slumps. This is a much better time to hit that. Go into the playoffs hot.
Nov 8 at 11:38
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Quoting: pharrow
I just watch it.
It happened it a split second. but he played that puck across the front of the net trying to get it out of there. You can't do that as a defenseman high danger way to clear the puck. I think most people would agree with that. It's got to go to the corner, even if it's a blind pass. It's the safer play. Always away from the net. Even if you might lose it in the scrum, it's better than playing it across the goaltender like that.
I'm not going to knock him for it. It was a split second thing, he just whacked it instinctively, panic mode play. Shiznit happens. But you would never teach a young defenseman to do that.
If a team gave up 1 goal on defense, that's not bad. You can't blame the goaltender or the defense for games where you give up 1 goal. I think their frustration is 12 goals in 17 games in 5v5 play. I admit I have not seen them all. So I'm not going to judge.
Even if it was a kind of bone head move. There is 60 minutes in a game. 1 goal is never why a team loses. Toronto won, so it shows they capitalized on some of those other moments.
Now if they coughed up 4 goals or something. That's a different story. Like that 8 minute melt down the Avs exposed last night. That was some chitty defense.


You are overanalyzing one play. This game and the LA game were played well defensively and far better than the games prior to these two games.

If the Leafs continue to be better defensively like they have here then they will be in the playoffs.
Nov 8 at 11:47
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I give Rielly a pass for playing hurt. Barrie, although adjusting, has no excuse. At the same time he just hasn’t been great. Not horrible. The entire team has really looked that way for most of the season. When they finally pull their socks up and start playing things will be much different. All teams go through slumps. This is a much better time to hit that. Go into the playoffs hot.


Seems like much of the team have really been playing dopey all season. Spurts of goodness....spurts of badness and long periods bland. Somehow they have the fifth best % in the conference. Still the overall defensive play looks shaky, and they are razor thin for NHL Dman replacements in case of injuries.
They have a road trip coming up. Leafs have had a good road record in recent years. Maybe the trip will wake them up.
Nov 8 at 11:47
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Quoting: oneX
You are overanalyzing one play. This game and the LA game were played well defensively and far better than the games prior to these two games.

If the Leafs continue to be better defensively like they have here then they will be in the playoffs.


how did I over Analyze a one play?
Did you read what I typed?
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Nov 8 at 11:57
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get off my lawn...
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Quoting: pharrow
how did I over Analyze a one play?
Did you read what I typed?


If there was such a thing of over analyzing I don’t think cap friendly would exist.
Nov 8 at 12:01
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Quoting: Jamiepo
If there was such a thing of over analyzing I don’t think cap friendly would exist.


True that.
But it's only November there is a lot of hockey to play.
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