Kyle Dubas needs to be fired

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Yeah they would be but it would make sense because they would still be learning. They’d become cup contenders in 2021-22. Or if they signed JT they needed to move either Willy or Marner

Also, they are still learning. Getting JT doesn't make that not a reality. How many years did Jordan lose to the pistons before winning it all?

May 27, 2020 at 2:29 p.m.

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Well, considering his contract desaster, I wonder if teams are still trying to stay away. So I will say His value then was equal to what it is now. But if he was traded and we avoided his desaster season, we would be better of.

First off it's disaster.

Secondly, he wanted some security that comes with a long term deal, considering he was first of the 3, and he knew he'd make the least.

The reason he fought so hard for term, was that he wanted to stay in Toronto that badly.

So yeah, if those are the biggest character concerns of guys on the Leafs, then I'm a pretty happy Leaf fan.

May 27, 2020 at 2:31 p.m.

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Except when you need to add to the D, you don’t get Barrie who does nothing to help that

Think your missing the point..... in hindsight yes. At the time, everyone liked that deal.

May 27, 2020 at 2:32 p.m.

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Barrie's usage was the problem. Trust me, if he had been used properly at the start of the season under Babcock and he had 40-50 points by now no one would be complaining.

Very likely.

I will maintain the issue wasn't Barrie. It was the lack of overall depth. Injuries really highlighted that.

May 27, 2020 at 2:32 p.m.

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Absolutely moronic to move him at that point. He would have been nowhere near his highest value.

Incredibly poor asset mgmt.

I can see why you think Dubas is doing such a bad job. He actually has good ideas, as opposed to what your are proposing in here.

Nope Nylander had a great value during the 2018 offseason

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May 27, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.

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Then he should've fired Babcock before the season started

I do wonder if he wanted too but Shanahan didn't allow it. I would have fired Babs the day after the series was over. Giving Marleau more time on the ice than Matthews when you are down 1 goal in the 3rd period in game 6 is a ****ing joke. That right there tells me the man was lost in his own ego. Thinks he knows better than everyone else and what he thinks is 100% right no matter what. Had we had Keefe for this whole season, who knows where they'd be. Likely still would have had problems with Hutchinson but who I suspect the team would be in a much better spot now had they had Keefe for the full season.

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May 27, 2020 at 2:35 p.m.

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He has 46M wrapped up in 4 players, that's more than half of the salary cap. Any GM in there right mind who thinks they can do that and still fill the rest of the team with quality under 35M is both nyeve and illogical so either he's just a bad GM or he's just not ready for it..

May 27, 2020 at 2:36 p.m.

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Ok, sorry, I actually didn't realize it hs only been 1.5 seasons. Thought it was 2.5 for a second. Still. He hasn't shown his philosophy is a good one. He needs to modify it.

Babs refused to implement the philosophy, he tried to make this skilled fast team into the Islanders. Just dump and chase. It was stupid and didn't work.

May 27, 2020 at 2:37 p.m.

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Edited May 27, 2020 at 2:44 p.m.

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All of that is just nonsense. Use Edmonton as an example, they pay 2 players over 20 million dollars, are they the problem their? Crosby and Malkin got a higher percentage of the cap when they signed their last deals than Matthews and JT have, are they the problems there? Kane makes 10.5 and is he the problem in Chicago? The answer to all that is no. Stars getting paid isn't ever a problem. Look at teams in a bad cap situation that aren't good teams and its never their best players that are the problem, its too much money in the hands of secondary players that is the problem. The leafs do not have that problem. People like you said Kapanen was going to get 5+ million when his ELC was over, the Leafs didn't and wouldn't give him that kind of money because he isn't worth it.

The notion the Leafs defence sucks is also not very correct, they had poor goaltending this past year, fired their coach who wanted them to play a system that just didn't work and their new coach had to deal with losing 3 of their top 6 players at the same time. How good do you think Tampa would be if they lost Hedman and McDonaugh for an extended period? Judging from how they performed when Hedman was hurt at the end of last season and wasn't healthy in the first round, not well.

But its always fun to ignore all that, blame a guy who's been on the job for less than 2 seasons and had to clean up the mess Lou left him with, all the while having a very young team deal with a coach that berates more than he teaches. Garbage arguments, all of what you said. None of it is emotions, its logic and facts. Emotion is hating the team and enjoying pissing off their fans.

Except Drai and 97 are way better than any of the players TOR has and Crosby and Malkin are bargains

People like me said Kappy would get 5 mil? Lol I think you heard voices in your head I saw no one saying that. Ever.

Yeah, they had poor goaltending, because their d-core allowes so many high danger chances! Thx Barrie, Ceci and Marincin.

Ah yes so I now hate my 2nd favorite team? Wow thx for the info

May 27, 2020 at 2:38 p.m.

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Nope Nylander had a great value during the 2018 offseason

How many RFAs of his calibre are dealt before their second contract?

Very few.

For one, other teams are scared of their contract demands. Secondly, it's poor asset mgmt to deal a guy before they have peaked, on the chance that you look pretty foolish when they become point per game players.

May 27, 2020 at 2:38 p.m.

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Nope Nylander had a great value during the 2018 offseason

He really did lol

May 27, 2020 at 2:39 p.m.

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Quoting: Barilko14

Deal him before his peak or have 4 top 6 players making over 46M against the cap and have 35M to build a championship team?

May 27, 2020 at 2:40 p.m.

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Forget to mention the Global Pandemic that is going to halt what was going to be a very steady rise of the salary cap year over year.

This ins't a fantasy draft situation you know, the rosters don't reset after one season. Having 5 years of cost certainty with your best 4 players, with the cap rising wasn't that bad of a position 4 months ago.

May 27, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.

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He was at his highest value then. That is part of why it was a big mistake.

He would be at his highest value now. He was on pace for 37 goals and 72 points and if you isolate how Nylander played since Keefe arrived (Keefe finally put him on the top PP and gave him more icetime) he was at just under a point a game pace and 40 goals. His value now is huge, he's one of 4 players TO has that legitimately can be over a point a game players. There are many teams in the NHL that don't have 1 of those. TO has 4 and guys want to trade two of them for secondary defenceman that shoot right handed because the media and troll nation say it has to be that.

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May 27, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

Getting rid of Zaitsev is the incentive.

Which is countered by getting rid of one of your only gritty player and getting a much worse d-man

May 27, 2020 at 2:41 p.m.

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Quoting: Serg808

Deal him before his peak or have 4 top 6 players making over 46M against the cap and have 35M to build a championship team?

They combine for 40.5 not 46. It's still a lot, but that's a $5.5m difference

May 27, 2020 at 2:42 p.m.

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May 27, 2020 at 2:42 p.m.

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Deal him before his peak or have 4 top 6 players making over 46M against the cap and have 35M to build a championship team?

First projections of next years cap was min. of $84M, then with expansion and a new US TV deal on the horizon, it's $90M within a couple of seasons.

May 27, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.

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Except Drai and 97 are way better than any of the players TOR has and Crosby and Malkin are bargains

People like me said Kappy would get 5 mil? Lol I think you hears voices in your head I saw no one saying that. Ever.

Yeah, they had poor goaltending, because their d-core allowes so many high danger chances! Thx Barrie, Ceci and Marincin.

Ah yes so I now hate my 2nd favorite team? Wow thx for the info

Lol he's funny. Would you rather have McDavid and Draisaitl for 20M, Crosby and Malkin for roughly 19M, OR Matthew's and Tavares for basically 23M??? Idk about you, but the 1st two are better, cheaper, and more qualified to win Stanley cups.

May 27, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Even in his "desaster" season, Nylander still produced offensive chances at an elite rate, unfortunately, Babs in his infinite wisdom put him on the 3rd line or with the likes of Brown and Marleau, two guys that couldn't score. Nylander started slow but was back up to scoring at a 60 point pace with 3rd line minutes and ****ty linemates, if you take out his first 13 games where he had 1 point. Nylander is deadly, always has been and his best days are ahead.

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May 27, 2020 at 2:46 p.m.

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It's not just something Babs made it out to be. A couple years ago, there was an article in the Hockey News that explained that RHD's get paid more since there are less of them. They have more worth than lefties since there are less of them. And in any case, Pesce has insane shot suppression numbers and playing on a pair with Rielly wouldn't be much of a difference from Slavin

Those shot suppression numbers are influenced by the system in Carolina as much as it is from Pesce's ability. He certainly wouldn't do that in TO which has a more high event system. Although I think that'll change as Keefe's system tightens the more the players buy into it. Pesce next to Rielly would likely be a terrific pair, but Rielly with anyone is a terrific pair. For crying outloud, he carried Hainsey's carcass for 2 years and made him look like he could still play in the NHL.

May 27, 2020 at 2:47 p.m.

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Quoting: Serg808

Were all the contracts signed at the same time?

Do you know what the word inflation means?

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May 27, 2020 at 2:53 p.m.

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That is the new pretend troll thing to say to defend your lunacy. "TO is my second favourite team, so all my negative remarks are not trolling" Yeah that isn't at all transparent. I have said many times, the leafs defence under Babs was terrible. Not the defenceman, the defence as a team. They were instructed to pressure everyone all over the ice and often that led to 5 bell chances in the slot. He was fired and Keefe took over and since then the system has the team collapsing to the slot in the defensive zone which has cut down those chances dramatically. But they still allowed a lot of goals for stretches under Keefe, yes they did. Part of that was when they had a shut down pair of Holl and Marincin when Ceci, Muzzin and Rielly were hurt. I don't care what system you play if Marincin is the best LHD option to throw out against the other teams best you are going to get lit up. The other part that led to high danger chances was turnovers. Keefe's system instructs the team to hold the puck, never give it up if you can hold it. What I saw was a team that found success with that but also went to far with it and sometimes that led to turnovers at the offensive blue line that ended up turning into odd man rushes the other way. They became fewer and further between the later in the season the Leafs got and was trending in a very positive way prior to the shutdown. All of this points to good times ahead.

But obviously if this was your second favourite team, you'd know all this yourself.

May 27, 2020 at 2:54 p.m.

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