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Domi vs Buffalo 2020 1st rd pick - TBL trade

Created by: GMs

Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 3, 2020

Published: Jun. 3, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Hudon and Ouellet will be looking for NHL deal so they will probably walk

Laval Rocket :

Blandisi-Poehling-Belzile
Dauphin-Vejdemo-(UFA)
Teasdale-Hillis-Alain
Veilleux-Hawel-Khisamutdinov

Leskinen-Fleury
Olofsson-Brook
Alzner-(UFA)

Primeau
Demchenko

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Mete, Victor	2	$2,000,000
Evans, Jake	2	$925,000
Juulsen, Noah	2	$925,000
Vejdemo, Lukas	2	$890,000
Blandisi, Joseph	1	$700,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Weise, Dale		1	$1,000,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Raymond, Lukas		3	$925,000
Sanderson, Jake		3	$925,000

Trades

MTL

2020 1st round pick (BUF)

Additional Details:

MTL receive a prospect in their rebuilt
1-Lafreniere
2-Byfield
3-Stutzle
4-Drysdale
5-Rossi
6-Perfetti
7-RAYMOND
8-SANDERSON
9-Holtz
10-Lundell

Getting a LHD with a hign potential with Norlinder Romanov Harris will set the Left side for a while

It will be step back, but might be high reward

BUF

Domi, Max [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

BUF receive a 25 yo CENTER ( Domi isnt a winger, he was but is better and more comfortable at Center ). They get a 2C for years or when Cozens will be ready, so he wont be rushed. If Cozens doesn't developed like we expected, you'll have your 2C in Domi

It will suck for MTL because they will face him often since they are in the same division

MTL

Additional Details:

Big body in Paquette + French ( for the media )
MTL were after McElhinney but Tampa offered him 2 years in Tampa ( it's understandable lol ) after McElhinney sign with them we signed Kinkaid …

TBL

Lindgren, Charlie ($375,000 retained)
2020 5th round pick (FLA)

Additional Details:

Tampa are saving a ton of cap and getting a back-up to replace Curtis ( Lindgren isn't a solid back-up, but Vasi play a lot of games )

Retained Salary Transactions

Charlie Lindgren: $375,000 (50%)

Buried

Karl Alzner: $3,550,000 ($4,625,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$68,753,809	$0	$3,270,000	$12,746,191

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Tatar, Tomas $4,800,000$4,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Danault, Phillip $3,083,333$3,083,333 C UFA - 1	Gallagher, Brendan $3,750,000$3,750,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 1
Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Suzuki, Nick $863,333$863,333 ($425,000$425K) C UFA - 2	Armia, Joel $2,600,000$2,600,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Lehkonen, Artturi $2,400,000$2,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C UFA - 1	Ylönen, Jesse $880,833$880,833 ($132,500$132K) RW, LW RFA - 3
Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Paquette, Cédric $1,650,000$1,650,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Evans, Jake $925,000$925,000 C UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chiarot, Ben $1,750,000$1,750,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 6	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 6
Romanov, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($212,500$212K) LD RFA - 2	Petry, Jeff $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Mete, Victor $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Juulsen, Noah $925,000$925,000 RD UFA - 1	McElhinney, Curtis $1,300,000$1,300,000 G UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Kulak, Brett $925,000$925,000 LD/RD UFA - 2		Raymond, Lukas $925,000$925,000
Weal, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 C, RW, LW UFA - 1		Sanderson, Jake $925,000$925,000
Weise, Dale $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, LW UFA

Jun. 4, 2020 at 11:42 a.m.

#26

Jdfitz77

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

@Sabres923
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My first thought to this trade was to offer next years first round pick.
Then I wondered what Sabre fans would say if Bergevin offered MTL 2020 first for Reinhart?
Then one reads this article:
https://thehockeywriters.com/sabres-trade-targets-2020-first-round-pick/
I would presume an unbiased sport source feels Buffalo’s 2020 first and Ristolainen for Domi and MTL’s 2nd.

So I put the two together, how do I value Reinhart and the Hockey writers article then realized that this years first for Domi is a good deal and maybe Buffalo would have to add.
I would imagine Domi with Skinner would do extremely well.

How about these lines:
Olofsson - Eichel - Reinhart
Skinner - Domi - Dadonov
Johansson - Kahun/Thompson/Mittelstadt/Cozens pick 2 for RW and Center
Asplund - Lazar - Okposo
Of course that means we have to lose Girgensons and Larsson and over pay to get Dadonov. But those are two really good lines.
Read this morning BN article by Lysowski about the PK and Asplund.

Let me add, if we had better forwards, more of the play would be in the offensive zone which would lead to fewer GA.

I wouldn’t even do Domi for our top10 pick,
let alone adding in Risto for a 2nd

Our 1st this year is basically off limits for me
Risto traded for nothing less than a top6 forward, if at all

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 11:46 a.m.

#27

Jdfitz77

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

I like Domi, but not for a top10 pick
I’d offer next year’s 1st + a prospect (not Cozens or Mitts)

Jun. 4, 2020 at 11:47 a.m.

#28

Skyraider112

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Would do the 7th OA for Domi and your 2020 1st. It's the cost of moving up

Jun. 4, 2020 at 1:17 p.m.

#29

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OK, I agree giving up the 7th over all for Domi is not a good move.
I submit to group think.
What I find curious is not one Sabre fan gave me any feed back on trading Reinhart for Montreal's 8th over all.

Jun. 4, 2020 at 1:21 p.m.

#30

SalamiCheese

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

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I am firmly convinced that the value of the seventh overall pick in this draft is Tomas Hertl plus the Tampa Bay first or Max Domi and the Montreal second. The value of term cannot be overstated.

Look at where some star centermen were taken recently. Horvat at 9. Larkin at 15. Barzal somewhere in between (I recall 13 but I'm not interrupting this to go look.)

If the draft order stays the same (I.e., no one jumps ahead of you), you rate to get to choose between at least two and probably three of Rossi, Perfetti, Lundell and RW Holtz. Which would you rather have: one of those players under team control for 6 years, or two years of Tomas Hertl plus the appreciable chance that he'll walk after that and you'll have nothing?

There's no chance that happens with Domi because you can sign him long-term now -- IF he co-operates. But he's still a risk.

Many times, the best asset management isn't making the most beneficial move, but avoiding the really damaging bad move.

Given our situation, I would prefer Max Domi with a slight plus. Although I like many of the players in this draft, we can’t wait any longer for the team to be in the playoffs for so many years, and the team captain is openly hinting that it’s time to strengthen and get into the playoff right now or I just leave in 1-2 seasons.

I like Hertl, but after an injury and he has only two years left under the contract, Domi can be locked for 5-6 years and you will always have a solid player for top 6.

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 1:23 p.m.

#31

SalamiCheese

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

It makes no sense to trade Reinhart for #8, since we need to win right now.

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 1:27 p.m.

#32

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

Well if you read the comments from some Sabres fans they seem content to just carry on as is with the hope that this draft pick or someone else will come along and save the day for them.

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 1:31 p.m.

#33

MisstheWhalers

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

I hate the Hertl for our 1st idea
Would rather have Domi
But i don’t think our 2020 1st should be traded, period

Only way I’d be ok with it is if it’s in a package to get a stud like Point, or someone of similar caliber
And that’s probably doubtful

Tampa's not trading Point though and if they did deal him to Buffalo it'd be the 1st, Cozens, + at which point Sabres fans would say it's too much and not worth it.

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 2:16 p.m.

#34

dzmets

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

The Sabres are lacking top 6 forwards. At this point they have 4 proven top 6 forwards. If you move Reinhart you now have three you need to find. I would only move Reinhart if I were getting a proven 2C in the deal, not for draft picks

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 2:25 p.m.

#35

gretzkyghosts

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Quoting: SalamiCheese

It makes no sense to trade Reinhart for #8, since we need to win right now.

Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Well if you read the comments from some Sabres fans they seem content to just carry on as is with the hope that this draft pick or someone else will come along and save the day for them.

Quoting: dzmets

I guess I was not clear, while no one would trade Reinhart for MTL 8th OA including I, I should have asked, is that a fair trade or who would have to add.

Jun. 4, 2020 at 2:37 p.m.

#36

dzmets

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

I guess I was not clear, while no one would trade Reinhart for MTL 8th OA including I, I should have asked, is that a fair trade or who would have to add.

I think the value at 8th o/a is about right for the Reinhart. If I were looking at a full rebuild I would move him for that pick. To me he is more Valuable than Domi due to the consistent goal scoring 20 + in 4 of 5 seasons

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 4:58 p.m.

#37

Jdfitz77

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Tampa's not trading Point though and if they did deal him to Buffalo it'd be the 1st, Cozens, + at which point Sabres fans would say it's too much and not worth it.

I just used Point as an example of the caliber of player it would take to get me to trade our 1st this year,
and then said it was probably doubtful

Jun. 4, 2020 at 5:01 p.m.

#38

Jdfitz77

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

I like Sam
But if they wanna trade him for the 8th pick & use his $$$ to sign Dadonov, Hoffman, etc...
then that’s not a terrible idea

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 5:02 p.m.

#39

GMs

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Quoting: dzmets

Domi playing with Eichel is 30+ goals tho lol

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 5:55 p.m.

#40

gretzkyghosts

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

I like Sam
But if they wanna trade him for the 8th pick & use his $$$ to sign Dadonov, Hoffman, etc...
then that’s not a terrible idea

I posted this earlier https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1751884
I originally included Okposo with the Tierney trade with 2021 first, but an Ottawa fan balked at that.
So I needed to count on Asplund, Ruotsalainen and Borgan to fill out the roster.
I do not know if that is enough for Dadonov, but my gosh, that would be a really solid team.
If Okposo could be moved with a pick and prospects, this team could be even better.
Maybe he gets moved next year when he only has 2 years left on his contract.

Jun. 4, 2020 at 6:26 p.m.

#41

dzmets

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

I guess I was not clear, while no one would trade Reinhart for MTL 8th OA including I, I should have asked, is that a fair trade or who would have to add.

Agreed that would not be a terrible idea. Don't think Dadonov will be an option as most Russian players tend to opt for bigger more international cities with Russian communities when they go into free agency.

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 6:28 p.m.

#42

dzmets

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Quoting: GMs

Domi playing with Eichel is 30+ goals tho lol

Wouldn't be trading for Domi to play him on Jack's wing. Would want him to be centering Skinner and Reinhart on the second line.

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 7:25 p.m.

#43

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Quoting: dzmets

Wouldn't be trading for Domi to play him on Jack's wing. Would want him to be centering Skinner and Reinhart on the second line.

I know that, but saying Reinhart score 20 goals consistency isn't a big thing when you play with Eichel

Jun. 4, 2020 at 7:28 p.m.

#44

dzmets

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Quoting: GMs

I know that, but saying Reinhart score 20 goals consistency isn't a big thing when you play with Eichel

Small sample size but his goals per 60 is higher playing without Jack

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 7:31 p.m.

#45

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Quoting: dzmets

Small sample size but his goals per 60 is higher playing without Jack

Domi-Reinhart could be a nice duo on the 2nd line

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 7:40 p.m.

#46

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

Not to be mean, but yikes!
Why would we pay a 3C a contract of 5.5mil for 5yrs?
And why even trade for Tierney?
Just go sign Haula, Brassard, Soderberg, etc for less & not give up anything to get them?

Or even just play MoJo or Kahun there for the year if Mitts & Cozens still aren’t ready

Regardless... no way i give Tierney that type of deal
He’s not even a “great” 3C, he “ok”
Remember, his production is inflated bc he’s playing higher up in the lineup with Ottawa then he would/should be on a good team

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 8:32 p.m.

#47

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts

I dont think we can. We are dangerously thin at rw and a 9 year playoff drought doesnt help. If we had drafted/developed/signed/traded for any kind of forward help at any point in the last 5 years, reinhart for 8oa in a deep draft would be fine by me. As it stands now, reinhart is going to get the nhls next worst contract from the worst gm.

Jun. 4, 2020 at 9:24 p.m.

#48

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Quoting: sabres89

Could replace him with (for example) a UFA signing of Hoffman or Dadonov
Shouldn’t cost too much to trade for a Tuch or J.Anderson

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Domi vs Buffalo 2020 1st rd pick - TBL trade

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