Now this is more like it

Anaheim declines, Gibson isn't on the market.

not sure why ducks do this move... takes away their best player, takes away their right defensive depth which they have none of. doesnt address adding back to that right d depth. sends them a young winger which they have plenty of. Bracco sucks.

leafs dont even go near that

Ducks decline. Gibson's contract is comparably amazing when compared to other elite goalies. Not moving him and Manson for Nylander and a 1st and a bunch of unneeded assets.

How do we know that Gibson won't be moved because Anaheim is in a rebuild

What happens if Liligren is in the deal

"Announcing the starting goaltender for YOUR 2020 Anaheim Ducksssssss, ANTHONYYYYYY STOLARZZZZZZ!"

But...at least they got Nylander and some plugs, right?

Nothing. Gibson isn't going to be included in a trade for now unless it's a crazy overpayment.

It doesn’t matter, this is a massive overpay. Goalies do not carry this much value. Even great ones. For that reason, leafs never offer this and ducks don’t shop Gibson. Also Manson is not good... please stop trading for him.

Obviously, it’s just too bad that it is impossible for the ducks to add another goaltender. I think it’s very unfair that every other team in the league is allowed to trade for and sign goalies but the ducks aren’t.


Seriously though, as I said above there is no way leafs offer this stupid amount for a goalie. For that reason the ducks won’t move him.


Plugs? Dermott and Johnsson are both good... Manson on the other hand....

Ducks block your number. Gibson isn’t for sale even if we are rebuilding.

Massive overpay? Cmon man, 7 years of a very high end, possibly elite goalie at an absolute steal of a contract and a good RHD on a reasonable contract for nylander and a 1st (spare me the dime a dozen junk). That’s not an overpay. I think if liljigren is switched for Bracco this is a good deal for both sides.

Nope it is a horrible deal. Manson is not even good and goalies do not carry that much value.

Do you have even one comparable goalie trade?

The value isn't terrible and if Anaheim really wanted to blow it up it makes some sense... The problem is I don't see why Anaheim would be doing that. If they were further from competing like Detroit, it would make sense to sell someone like Gibson in his prime, but Anaheim seems close enough to competing, I can't see them trading him, unless they have another uber Goalie prospect on the way up (like NYR and NYI and Wsh)

Andrew raycroft got a pretty good return.

Now, if only there was a big goalie trade between these very two teams so i wouldn’t have to do research. Oh. Wait, we have that.

Now, of course the Andersen deal was much different. He wasn’t signed to an awesome contract for the next seven years (those kinds of players never get traded regardless of position), and there wasn’t a quality player coming back with him (there’s no point in arguing how good Manson is. We aren’t going to agree, but i think we can agree that the league thinks he has good value, rightly or wrongly) A first and second for an unsigned, young Andersen is a bigger overpay than this in my opinion.

Your glasses have so much blue and white tint on them that it must be hard to see through them.

Ah, yes, the good old Johnsson/Kerfoot, Dermott and Bracco trio. The Guy Lombardo refrain of CapFriendly.

We have several Andreas Johnsson's, several Travis Dermott's, and Kiefer Sherwood = Jeremy Bracco. Leafs Nation, please stop.

Isn't a world-class goaltender an essential element of a rebuild?

Leafs are trading a 1st, Nylander, and spare parts for the best goalie in the nhl. That offer is laughable

So show me a comparable goalie trade... if goalies are worth this much certainly there must be a comparable. Goalies are traded all the time.

If he is indeed the best goalie in the league (I think he is certainly up there) why has he not won the vezina every season? Or even once???

Also Dermott and Johnsson are not spare parts. Good luck convincing leafs fans on here that trade them away for nothing of that though...

So argue you my point rather than ad hominem.

If it were truly just my bias you should be able to tear that apart pretty quickly.

Leaf fans constantly say Matthews is the best goal scorer in the NHL. If he is indeed the best goal scorer (I think he is certainly up there) why has he not won the Rocket Richard every season? Or even once???
Also, they are spare parts. Johnson is already 25, has only put together 1 solid season playing on a offense juggernaut team. Dermott is a solid defender. But thats all. That trade does not get Manson or Gibson

Johnsson-Dime a dozen 3rd liner who can play up a bit. Lots of these guys available, and most cost less. Spare part.
Dermott-Bottom pairing d-man who has a bit of potential, but hasn't reached it. Lots of these guys available. Spare part.
Bracco-No need to really comment on him. Adds zero value. Not even a spare part.
Nylander-Excellent player. Would love to have him on my team, but there's not a lot of point if you're trading away 2 of your valuable players, one of whom is one of the top goaltenders in the world.
1st round pick-Given that you're adding Manson and Gibson, this should be a late pick in a questionable draft. If I was a GM today, and I was pretty confident I'd be a top 20 team next year, I'd have no problem giving it up, especially given the lack of minor league hockey that will be played this year.

Manson-Not going to waste my breath arguing with you about him because you've clearly made up your mind and it'll never change.
Gibby-26 year old all world goaltender on an outstanding contract. You move him, you might as well tear the whole thing down.

As for the "Well just go sign another goalie!"-You're not going to get anywhere close to that caliber player at anywhere close to that caliber price. YOU go and find a goalie.

Dear Jamie: I don't think that the argument that because we've never seen a franchise goalie (Price, Lundqvist, Rask, Quick, Hellebuyck, Vassilevskiy) or even Stanley-Cup-winning goalie (Murray, Holtby) traded in his prime, therefore the trade value of such a goalie isn't high. I think that the opposite conclusion is more likely to be true: that the price is so high, no one can afford it.

The only trade offer I would entertain for John Gibson is Nylander, Liljegren and the 15th overall in this draft. And I would only do so if I'd already had some positive contacts with Robin Lehner's agent.