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Jun. 3, 2021 at 10:25 p.m.
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Other charging plays have been 2 or 3 in the regular season....this is the playoffs and it's more???


Yeah, cuz this hit was so much worse. A 10 game suspension minimum if this was the regular season.
Jun. 3, 2021 at 10:51 p.m.
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Anyone able to figure out how fast Mark was skating?

Since anything you hit above that speeds 4 games now....


To be fair, I’ve never seen scheifele skate that fast in my life.
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Jun. 3, 2021 at 11:00 p.m.
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Nothing is fair when you cause brain injuries for life to someone on purpose because you lost a hockey game.


I’m sorry, but Wtf was the point of this comment? This is like saying that a murderer gets a life sentence and then you say, it won’t bring back the person he murdered. Wtf is the point of that. That’s simply a destructive comment. I’m not being insensitive here because my thoughts honestly do go out to Evans but wth man? Stop trying to demonize a player for making a mistake. Schiefele knows better than anyone he messed up, and doubt he feels good about it. Stuff like this happens in hockey and other sports. This is an assumed risk players take when they put themselves on the ice. It’s called being an athlete. Schiefele got hit by the book, and it was fair.

Sure it’s not fair that evans got a concussion, but you could argue the same with every single injury. But if we are on a hockey site, we are talking about hockey. According to the rule book, the ruling was fair. Players know the risks.

Unless you call for “an eye for an eye” justice, you have no place making this comment.
Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:11 a.m.
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Yeah, cuz this hit was so much worse. A 10 game suspension minimum if this was the regular season.


A head hit into the boards compared to a clean open ice hit...no way....the only difference is that Scheifele came in with speed. Both are illegal charging calls but 4 games is pathetic
Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:14 a.m.
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A head hit into the boards compared to a clean open ice hit...no way....the only difference is that Scheifele came in with speed. Both are illegal charging calls but 4 games is pathetic


What is pathetic it’s too intend to injure a player
Which Mark did
Even if it’s a clean hit, legal or whatever, you know the other guy can’t protect himself. So it is a hit yo intent to injure , clean or not. Which is dumb IMO
Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:24 a.m.
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What is pathetic it’s too intend to injure a player
Which Mark did
Even if it’s a clean hit, legal or whatever, you know the other guy can’t protect himself. So it is a hit yo intent to injure , clean or not. Which is dumb IMO


Why didn't the refs in the building, on the ice, minimum 100ft from the play, call it a Match then and not a Major?

What it is/was - is a hit to say, not in my house mofo, get ready for game two (that's the message he was trying to send) went a little aray -2gms...
Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:28 a.m.
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Why didn't the ref in the building, on the ice, minimum 100ft from the play, call it a Match then and not a Major?

What it is/was - is a hit to say, not in my house mofo, get ready for game two (that's the message he was trying to send) went a little aray -2gms...


Yeah 4 games is a lot, but it’s a dumb move by Scheifele when you look at the big picture. You’re trying to score a wraparound goal, alright, I will ****ed your brain in that case. Like yooooo it’s a sport !
Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:46 a.m.
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Yeah 4 games is a lot, but it’s a dumb move by Scheifele when you look at the big picture. You’re trying to score a wraparound goal, alright, I will ****ed your brain in that case. Like yooooo it’s a sport !


Yeah it's a just a sport yo-yo-yo.

However, you are feeding right into the billions $-market-Cap for the "principals" (owners/players/all employees in the biz)..

Michael Jordan for instance became a billionaire player!
Now hockey's def not there yet but one day we will talk about that very thing...

These pros excel and have been coached etc. from a very young age to do whatever it takes to win (listen up Leafy fans)...

Two things:
1) MS needs to sit. Yes. 2-games.
2) JE needs to study up on the #1 rule of Atom hockey...
Jun. 4, 2021 at 1:24 a.m.
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Yeah it's a just a sport yo-yo-yo.

However, you are feeding right into the billions $-market-Cap for the "principals" (owners/players/all employees in the biz)..

Michael Jordan for instance became a billionaire player!
Now hockey's def not there yet but one day we will talk about that very thing...

These pros excel and have been coached etc. from a very young age to do whatever it takes to win (listen up Leafy fans)...

Two things:
1) MS needs to sit. Yes. 2-games.
2) JE needs to study up on the #1 rule of Atom hockey...


Show me a video of someone doing a wraparound back handed with is head up

I’m not talking about the suspension at all, just the fact Mark tries to injure a player vulnerable
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Jun. 4, 2021 at 7:39 a.m.
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A head hit into the boards compared to a clean open ice hit...no way....the only difference is that Scheifele came in with speed. Both are illegal charging calls but 4 games is pathetic


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What is pathetic it’s too intend to injure a player
Which Mark did
Even if it’s a clean hit, legal or whatever, you know the other guy can’t protect himself. So it is a hit yo intent to injure , clean or not. Which is dumb IMO


“Clean” means legal. Charging is not legal. Evans misses 4 games minimum in concussion protocol. He’s lucky if he doesn’t have effects from the hit that last his entire life.
Jun. 4, 2021 at 7:42 a.m.
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Why didn't the refs in the building, on the ice, minimum 100ft from the play, call it a Match then and not a Major?

What it is/was - is a hit to say, not in my house mofo, get ready for game two (that's the message he was trying to send) went a little aray -2gms...


Point of fact, the refs did call it a match penalty (game misconduct).
Jun. 4, 2021 at 10:49 a.m.
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Point of fact, the refs did call it a match penalty (game misconduct).


NHL.com release:
"The incident occurred at 19:03 of the third period. Scheifele received a MAJOR penalty for charging and a GAME MISCONDUCT. Evans was taken off the ice on a stretcher and is out indefinitely with a concussion."
Jun. 4, 2021 at 10:51 a.m.
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I’m sorry, but Wtf was the point of this comment? This is like saying that a murderer gets a life sentence and then you say, it won’t bring back the person he murdered. Wtf is the point of that. That’s simply a destructive comment. I’m not being insensitive here because my thoughts honestly do go out to Evans but wth man? Stop trying to demonize a player for making a mistake. Schiefele knows better than anyone he messed up, and doubt he feels good about it. Stuff like this happens in hockey and other sports. This is an assumed risk players take when they put themselves on the ice. It’s called being an athlete. Schiefele got hit by the book, and it was fair.

Sure it’s not fair that evans got a concussion, but you could argue the same with every single injury. But if we are on a hockey site, we are talking about hockey. According to the rule book, the ruling was fair. Players know the risks.

Unless you call for “an eye for an eye” justice, you have no place making this comment.


You are downplaying the act by calling it a "mistake" or like "any other injury". Accidents do happen but it is not demonizing Scheifele by calling it like it is: a deliberate assault.

Playing hockey doesn't mean you accept to be attacked. This wasn't a hockey play, like the DoPS determined, it was violence.

My previous comment meant I just dont think we can call a 4 games suspension "fair" when:

1. The injured player will miss a lot more games.
2. It's not long enough to set an example and have a dissuasive effect not to do it again.
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Jun. 4, 2021 at 10:55 a.m.
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A head hit into the boards compared to a clean open ice hit...no way....the only difference is that Scheifele came in with speed. Both are illegal charging calls but 4 games is pathetic


I'm amazed about the "clean hit" argument. There's not such a thing as a "clean charging". It's one or the other, and in that case the later.
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Jun. 4, 2021 at 10:57 a.m.
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I'm amazed about the "clean hit" argument. There's not such a thing as a "clean charging". It's one or the other, and in that case the later.


The hit itself was clean....imagine if Scheifele tried to do something dirty with the hit too....
Jun. 4, 2021 at 11:02 a.m.
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The hit itself was clean....imagine if Scheifele tried to do something dirty with the hit too....


Skating full speed for 2 zones and deliver a hit with "significative head contact" to a player in a vulnerable position isn't clean, I think it's pretty clear by now. See the NHL video for further explanations. Saying it could have been dirtier, doesn't make it clean ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Jun. 4, 2021 at 11:13 a.m.
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NHL.com release:
"The incident occurred at 19:03 of the third period. Scheifele received a MAJOR penalty for charging and a GAME MISCONDUCT. Evans was taken off the ice on a stretcher and is out indefinitely with a concussion."


Sorry, I can’t tell, are you agreeing with me or do you not understand that a game misconduct is a game penalty?

This is not to be confused with a 10 minute misconduct (which to be clear, didn’t occur here).
Jun. 4, 2021 at 11:17 a.m.
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The hit itself was clean....imagine if Scheifele tried to do something dirty with the hit too....


For a hit to be clean, it necessarily cannot be a charge. The two words “clean” and “charge” together are oxymoronic. Not to be confused with the hit, which was simply moronic.
Jun. 4, 2021 at 11:23 a.m.
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Skating full speed for 2 zones and deliver a hit with "significative head contact" to a player in a vulnerable position isn't clean, I think it's pretty clear by now. See the NHL video for further explanations. Saying it could have been dirtier, doesn't make it clean ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


That's as much head contact as me hitting u in the leg....NHL went overboard....every other hit is always about the principal point of contact and this wasn't...I get the suspension, but 4 games??? I also wouldn't have a problem with 4 games if every other suspension was long like this too....the inconsistency of it pisses me off
Jun. 4, 2021 at 11:27 a.m.
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not enough but should miss the rest of the series.


He returns game 6 if there is one
Jun. 4, 2021 at 11:32 a.m.
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That's as much head contact as me hitting u in the leg....NHL went overboard....every other hit is always about the principal point of contact and this wasn't...I get the suspension, but 4 games??? I also wouldn't have a problem with 4 games if every other suspension was long like this too....the inconsistency of it pisses me off


We’ve never had a hit exactly like this before in the NHL, playoffs or regular season. To argue inconsistency, in this case specifically, is disingenuous at best.

To your point on a clear standard, I agree. So let’s all come together and use this unprecedented type of hit to create a new standard, where any hit in the playoffs (or otherwise), that breaks a rule (in this case charging) and targets a vulnerable player where any reasonable person could expect to risk putting the recipient of the hit in the hospital with a brain injury, even if the player has no history of fines/suspensions....and regardless of whether or not that player is a superstar.....

The conversation starts at a suspension of 4 playoff games. Add any other additional factors, and we go up quickly and substantially from there. If Kadri or Wilson did this, I’d suspend them for a calendar year.
Jun. 4, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
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Sorry, I can’t tell, are you agreeing with me or do you not understand that a game misconduct is a game penalty?

This is not to be confused with a 10 minute misconduct (which to be clear, didn’t occur here).


A Major penalty and a Match penalty are different.

There's a major for charging and a match for charging.

They differ, by a lot.
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Jun. 4, 2021 at 11:48 a.m.
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Before I saw the 4 games, I said he should have been suspended for the series, but I also understand you can't suspend someone for a variable amount of games. I think 4 games is the right amount. Mark is NOT AT ALL a dirty player. This was one of the dirties plays I've seen this year. This is one of the rare instances where I completely agree with the NHL breakdown of the play. He knew the game was over and he wanted to send a message. He never attempted to play the puck, in fact went out of his way to avoid the puck.

https://www.nhl.com/video/scheifele-suspended-four-games/t-277440360/c-8516240


I think what ticks off Habs fans the most is the entire Jets organization and especially Schiefele's view of the hit, claiming it was clean and somehow Evans fault is ridiculous. Schiefele was a clean player who mad a bad decision but has not owned up for it, never even reached out to Evans to apologize for his error in judgement. Even Corey Perry (who I absolutely hate BTW and hate that he is on my Habs team) reached out to Tavares for an accidental knee. Like have some sort of class Schiefele and own your mistake.
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Jun. 4, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.
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A Major penalty and a Match penalty are different.


Yes, and do you see the three letter word “and” between the two?

Read the quote you included again.

Match penalty = game misconduct.
Jun. 4, 2021 at 11:51 a.m.
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Yes, and do you see the three letter word “and” between the two?

Match penalty = game misconduct.

Read the quote you included again.



I sent you the NHL release.
A major w/ a gm misconduct does not equal a match...[period]
Go read the rule book
 
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