The trade isn’t real my man. It’s arbitrary.

If by arbitrary you mean lopsided, yup.

Hållander's prime > 1 year of DeSmith

In fairness DeSmith so cheap is a rare + good asset

None of the cheap goalies in FA have his sv%

Maybe Raanta but he's aging

It's just too much tho

In your opinion.

Like I said, Id be willing to bet most NHL GMs value MP more than u.

And far less than you.

Maybe.

Unfortunately, for you anyway. Mediocre and overpaid. That doesn’t change just because he plays for the team you like. 🤷🏻‍♂️

ALL of these dudes "get it".

That, makes me happy!

Again, in your opinion.

In reality

I posted stats and facts. U posted opinions. Except that Bertuzzi is a 20 goal scorer. That’s a fact. Not just your opinion.

I have never been happier to hit the ignore button than I am right now.

Into the fabric of nonsense he goes....

If that was true he wouldn't be a penguin any more...

Not so much. reports said Matheson was brought up by the Pens in trade discussions at the deadline.

Maybe this off season though; depending on the expansion draft. The flat cap has cash strapped all contending teams. They might try to move him this offseason. I guess we will see.

But u won’t find any reports/articles, inside information, anyone in the organization or close to the organization, any Pens beat writer, NHL insider, saying the MP was brought up in trade discussions.

You posted nothing of value. +/- is the most useless stat there is it’s only good for comparing players on the same team. He played in the playoffs….whoopdeefuggindo. So have countless others. Then there is Jack Eichel who has never played in the playoffs and has bad +/- so i guess by your logic Pettersson has more trade value than Eichel. Lol.

He is mediocre and over paid. No matter how you want to try to spin it.

Well that makes no sense compacting MP to Eichel b/c of +/- and play-off experience.

No I was stating things that NHL GM’s value. Wasn’t comparing anything or any players.

Now this isn’t even a opinion. This is just making stuff up.

Come on, at least try and look up something to backup what you are saying. Top 4 dman, really? He averages the 6th most minutes on the Pens and is a whole two minutes behind the next closest. The Pens do not see him as a top 4 guy and neither does the rest of the league. Its an bad offer for Bert and you know it. If the wings trade Bertuzzi it will be for a far better return than this.

Also have you seen the Red Wings prospect pool for wingers? Its Centers that the wings need far more depth or more importantly impact with. The deal offers nothing of what the wings stated goal of the off season is, the building of long term sustainable success.

He can't do that. He is convinced that he is right in his assumptions.

Let it go... this cat just doesn't get it.

Petterssonq/Marino have been a pairing for the past two-season. This season the Pens basically had 2 2nd pairings. With Matheson/Ceci.

And when Matheson/Ceci got hot towards the end of the season. And were playing as good as any pairing in the NHL, they played a ton of 5x5 minutes. Marino got his minutes on the PP and PK. And it took Pettersson minutes per game average down.

Look at the game logs. At the beginning of the season. One game Pettersson/Marino would play 18-22 minutes. The next night Matheson/Ceci would.

Until the end of the year and the play-offs when Matheson/Ceci started player super well and got hot. And rightfully so they got more minutes. Pettersson average 19.5 Minutes per game in 2019-20 and was paired with Marino all season on the 2nd pairing.

And speaking of Marino. His stats took a dive when they paired Matheson with him. And they go up with Pettersson as his pairing. Again, long stick, long reach. Very good defensively, defensively responsible, barely makes mistakes, contributes enough offensively. Never a minus(-) in his career. Plus 39 for his career. Good analytics and underlying numbers.

What top 4 defensemen averages 16:29 mins a night and ranks 7th on the team in that metric? The prior yet ranked 6th in average TOI behind Letang, Dumo, Marino,
Schultz, & Johnson. You say he has ton of potential and is great defensively but has never shown above average offense instincts even at the lower levels so where is this potential coming from? Plus minus is a worthless stat with no direct correlation for performance. Would he be top 4 defensemen in Detroit? Maybe for a season or two but then we have a 4M bottom pair defensemen. The same could be said about guys on waivers this year (Ghostbear, Gardiner).

19.5 minutes per night in 19-20. 2nd pairing minutes.

And I told u why in the last post, last seasons minutes average was down. Like I said, u can go back and look at game logs and see if that’s true.


Where have u seen him play?? He has a good shot from the Point, joins the rush well.

And that’s not his game totally. He’s able to do it enough though. His stats the last 3 years prove it. And According to u, with 3rd pairing minutes. Marino is tasked with joining the rush more on that pairing.

Again, Marino stats improve tremendously with Pettersson. Go down with Matheson. It’s why the Pens will probably keep him.

It’s not according to me, that is a fact. He averaged 16 mins and 29 seconds this season. Is that top 4 minutes to you? I’ve seen him play pre-draft and numerous times each season. He’s never going to anchor a PP. So why does Detroit or any other team for that matter care about the chemistry between Marino & MP? I don’t see both of them in the deal.

Everyone got a little worked up over the Bertuzzi trade but yeah it's just rather underwhelming for Detroit especially while they're rebuilding so thoroughly

Pettersson kinda underrated now too

Year after year he posts positive Corsi and strong xGA and his pts/60 numbers are solid too... I think his contract is absolutely perfect and totally agreeable

Lol. Yep. He’s a whipping boy on here. I get it.

And most teams fans don’t want the contract. They think they can do better with the cap space.

But I’d be willing to bet more NHL GMs would agree with u and me about Pettersson.

He’s more valuable than people think. Look at J.Shultz contact, the J.Johnson contract, the Ian Cole trade, the Savard trade, the Ceci contract, the Zaitsev trade/contract, etc. Good D-man are very valuable in the NHL, especially young ones, that are defensively responsible, signed long term, and have play-off experience.

These are the same people that were clambering for their teams to pick up Mete, Gostisbhere, and A.DeAngello and their contracts..lol. When literally every GM in the NHL wouldn’t touch them for free. But they arnt interested in Pettersson..lol.

And if Pettersson made 3.8M, everyone would say it’s a good contract. It’s the 4 that’s throw people off. It 4.025M(4,025,000) not 4.2M.

Yes, your other statements were opinions bud. What don’t u understand about this??

And I guess u have trouble reading too. Petterson 19.5 minutes in 2019-20. 2nd pairing minutes and I said multiple times why his minutes average went down last year.

This season the Pens basically had 2 2nd pairings. With Pettersson/Marino and Matheson/Ceci.

And when Matheson/Ceci got hot towards the end of the season. And were playing as good as any pairing in the NHL, they played a ton of 5x5 minutes. Marino got his minutes on the PP and PK. And it took Pettersson minutes per game average down.

Go look at game logs at the beginning of the season. One game Pettersson/Marino would play 18-22 minutes. The next night Matheson/Ceci would.

Until the end of the year and the play-offs when Matheson/Ceci started playing super well and got hot.

And rightfully so they got more minutes. Pettersson average 19.5 Minutes per game in 2019-20 and was paired with Marino all season on the 2nd pairing.

And speaking of Marino. His stats took a dive when they paired Matheson with him. And they go up with Pettersson as his pairing.

Again, long stick, long reach. Very good defensively, defensively responsible, barely makes mistakes, contributes enough offensively. Never a minus(-) in his career. Plus 39 for his career. Good analytics and underlying numbers.

Never gonna be a Point on a PP..?? again, that’s not his game.

Again, he’s very defensively responsible. Again, a plus 39 for his career. Has a good shot, joins the rush well.

Contributes enough offensively. His stats prove that and according to u, on 3rd pairing minutes.

Marino is asked to join the rush on that pairing. Not Pettersson. And Pens have Letang, a top 5 Point on the PP in the NHL still. And Marino on the 2nd unit PP.

I guess guys like B.Carlo, Nurse, Dumoulin, who are the bigger, more defensive side of their pairings are worthless too. Cause they will never be a anchor on a PP either.

It’s just gonna be an agree to disagree. And that’s fine man. U arnt convinced me he’s a bum. I watch every Pens game. He’s very good defensively, makes few mistakes and is still young with play-off experience.

Fans like u want the flashy guys, instead of the defensively responsible guys that contribute to winning teams. That GMs definitely value. Guys that make few mistakes and still contribute offensively enough.

I mean even see the J.Johnson contract, J.Shultz contract, Savard trade, Ian Cole trade, Zaitsev contract and trade, Ceci contract, Matheson trade, etc. even average/bad D-man have value in the NHL.

And if Pettersson made 3.8M, everyone would say it’s a good contract. It’s the 4 that throws people off. It’s 4.025M(4,025,000) not 4.2M.

I bet I can go back on you posts and see u wanting your GM to pick-up Gostisbhere, or A.DeAngello or Mete..lol.