Quoting: DogDayCaps2
Common sense? The fact you think he’s a 1c is confusing. He wouldn’t be a 1c on any NHL team. I doubt he’s even a top 50 center all things considered. He would fall #3 maybe in Washington but Eller puts up comparable numbers. I love how people try to ignore the importance of points. It’s easy one of the dumbest takes in the world. What separates Mcdavid from other 1c? Or why is he considered generational? Or why is Matthews so great. They can score…. It’s not rocket science. Shutdown players are important but they aren’t 1-2c unless they can score a lot.
AGAIN BEING GREAT AT 1 thing doesn’t make you a 1c. Look at koppy backstrom bergy Matthews mcdavid leon McKinnon barkov Crosby Malkin….
All your arguments are circular...
No, points is an indicator of plenty of other things above individual offensive impact. Defensive/offensive minute split, coaching effects, team mates/competition etc.
Leon Draisaitl doesn't score a bunch of points because he's some amazing offensive talent. He scores a lot of points thanks to playing on the powerplay with one of the best offensive players we've seen, by taking on secondary competition while having competent wingers, and still being a net negative thanks to his poor defensive ability. You're making my point for me.
You're the one looking at 1 thing. I'm trying to evaluate both defense and offense, while you're looking at points.
The problem with your analysis is you'd think MacKinnon was way worse a few years ago, when in reality the situation around him changed more than he did. He was always amazing. Ironically, Colorado recognizes this and uses sophisticated statistical analysis to construct a competitive team.
You're 1) comparing apples to pears. Washington is built way different from Minnesota. 2) Missing out on the fact that Lars Eller is also really good, and should probably be at least a #2C on most teams. He's also better offensively than Kuznetsov, but again, one is fed easy O-zone minutes and underperforms relative to it, while the other gets fed defensive minutes and does more than expected in those minutes. This is what you're consistently missing. You underrate the impact of the playing situation. This is why we use expected values.