Sharks say: no lol

Care to elaborate? Byron + 1st to save 3.6 Mil in cap and dump Kane seems reasonable to me. Toffoli deal doesn't have to be with sharks as stated in description.

Sharks can’t afford to give up top picks like that, they don’t have the organizational depth to be throwing around 1st rounders. If they want to get rid of Kane there are other ways

I get that but since they don't want to rebuild they can use the 1st for dumping Kane. I don't know how else they can get rid of Kane without including a 1st and taking back some salary. If the sharks can swing it without giving up a 1st good on them I just don't see it though.

If MTL trades for Kane just to terminate/buy him out why wouldn't the Sharks just do it themselves?

It is much cheaper for SJ to just buy him out. Easy no.

I feel like the Sharks could just buy him out?

Buy him out, bury him, maybe he won’t be a total tool and agree to a contract termination though I don’t see him wanting to give up all that money with his…. um… ”debts”. They will have to do something with him though but that 1st is going to be crucial for them moving forward as a franchise, I’d rather they just pay him and scratch him every game than give up top picks.

I don't know the sharks ownership situation but being a small market team they may not want to have that much dead cap space for that long, where as Montreal being the 3rd largest franchise can easily absorb it at a price of course.

I agree with you that would be best but would the owners care about that much dead cap for that long?

i cant wait to laugh at the deadline for 2 reasons, habs fans reactions if chiarot doesnt get a first (which he shouldnt because he sucks) and if a team actually spends a first on that bum it would be hilarious

I think the owner is one of the richest owners so he may not care, not sure though. Guess it comes down to if he wants success over a little saved money

Yeah I don't know either lol, that is the premise I based the trade on though is being a smaller market team maybe they don't want that much dead cap. If it doesn't work and the owner doesn't care then yeah there wouldn't be a deal lol.

Just checked out Chiarot's "rels", which compare him to his teammates.

CF% rel - negative every single year of his career
SF% rel - negative 6 of the last 7 seasons
GF% rel - negative last 3 seasons and 6 of 8
xGF% rel - negative 6 of last 7
SCF% rel - negative 7 of 8
HDCF% rel - negative 6 of 7

These are not good numbers, in fact they are quite bad. Worse, they're largely caused by poor defensive metrics - he allows more shots against than average of his teammates, he allows more goals against, more scoring chances and more high danger corsi. It isn't due to zone starts either, he generally gets about 50% offensive zone starts.

He had one good playoff run where the refs allowed him to hack and whack opponents at will, and Habs fans think he's suddenly a 1st pairing defenseman who is worth a whole ton. Genuinely he's a replacement level guy and has been his entire career.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279

Actually, the results from the past 2 playoff runs are worse than his regular season results: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=3&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279

Perhaps you should pay attention to what is being posted instead of going off half-cocked about how Habs fans think he is a 1st line D man. It is right there in the description if you care to go back up and read it. Here I will post that portion again for you.

Freidman has said Chiarot likely fetches a 1st and has linked him to the Oil since this is a deadline deal the 3rd is added but could also be removed or conditional.

See how that begins FREIDMAN SAID.

I don't really care who speculated what. You are the one posting this so own it. I did a quick analysis of the player and his own performance over MANY years indicates that he's a replacement level player, nothing Friedman says can alter that. Besides, Habs fans were asking for a 1st long before Elliot said that.

Also, Friedman didn't "link Chiarot to the Oilers", he simply said he thought that Edmonton could be a fit. There's a big difference between speculating which teams might be a fit and insider knowledge that a specific team is interested and inquiring.

And I really don't care what analysis some 60 y.o. guy in his mammals basement ran on a player. Freidman k ow more about hockey than you ever will dream of knowing, if he says Chiarot can fetch a 1st I tend to believe that over some hater on the internet. If you don't like the threads try ignoring them instead of hating on them.

I never Chiarot wouldn't fetch a first, I said he's not worth a first. Big difference. I've been around long enough to know that GM's get carried away at the deadline and make stupid moves (1st for Savard, for instance). Just because someone might do it doesn't mean smart people can't criticize it.

"Smart people" would know that there is more to hockey than advanced stats and when making trade proposals it is often common practice to reference similar trades ie. Savard or take into account ACTUAL hockey knowledgeable people's opinions ie. Eliot Freidman. So when some guy on a website says that Chiarot is not worth a 1st cause he ran stats, I tend to ignore that "smart person"

And yet, you can't ignore me because I'm making a far more compelling argument than you are, so you have to resort to cheap personal insults.