For trading inside the division the 3rd has to change to a 2nd or a 2nd round caliber prospect

Bro getting a first for Benny is a stretch, if we CAN get a 1st it’s a done deal

To bad you are over the cap

Chariot is so bad he immediately nullifies how good miller is.

Yeah, it would take the habs 1st for the leafs to take that contract

19k over the cap. They make that work easily. Teams make a few hundred K over the cap work. They just go down to 20 players for a while and it works out.

Divisional trades only matter when the teams are actually competiting against each other and if there is term. This is a trade for the rest of the year and it does not go into next year. So divion or not, it has no impact.

So they will treat the leafs just like any other team on Chiarot

Ya he is not bad. He is playing number one minutes on MTL, so he is getting exposed. And their team is awful this year. Put him down to 19-20 minutes a game on the 2nd or 3rd pair, and he is much better suited.

The Leafs already have a perfectly capable top pairing in Rielly and Brodie. They are lights out. So they just need to boolster their bottom 3 D. This does that.

Chiarot = 1st (half retained) not going to get much more unless a bidding war starts (I don't think it will though TBH). That being said apparently Manson has Toronto listed as one of his 5 No-Trade destinations so that immediately raises their interest in Chiarot.

There are already 2 guys on this thread I would not take seriously (one on each side) I won't name them but I think you can guess who they are from their posts already lol.

haha I see them! :P - Ya i paid the extra 3rd to get the deal done. Probably will take that, as I am sure quite a few teams will call on him. I assume a 4th for the double retention will be needed also.

don’t worry about those greedy Habs fans

He is very bad. Hes been very bad for a while and now that he doesnt have danault etc covering for him its just that much more obvious. He has never been more than a decent depth guy even when he was on good teams.
You put him on the 2nd or 3rd pair right now and he's making that pair worse.
And if you're putting him on the 3rd pair why are you giving up that insane price.for him?

Its cute when you talk about me to your friends

I may be a Habs fan but my dad was a die hard Leafs fan and it would be nice to see them win for him since we lost him a couple years ago.

Yes definitely. I am a Leafs fan but my dad is a die hard Habs fan. Would have been nice to see them win last year. Although I really didn't think they were good enough. The fact they beat Toronto and Vegas was shocking. My mind would have broke if they beat Tampa also. The better team didn not win In the Toronto and the Vegas series.

I can see them being competitive again next year with a few changes. Hoping they make them. (I have being saying that with buffalo for years and then they would go out and do the opposite of what I would say they should do and lose massively every year haha)

Leafs team is extremely deep. They have very few real holes. To make any upgrade on their team they are paying quite a bit. Chiarot would be good Muzzin insurance. We don't have anyone who looks or plays like Muzzin at all and he has been hurt the past 2 playoffs. Chiarot is not as good as muzzin but he would give the Leafs that phycial presence and is very capable if Muzzin goes down. So when healthy Chiarots role is smaller but if Muzzin goes down, he would have bigger opportunity. Hence why the Leafs pay a 1st + a bit for him.

Would prefer to give Vancouver that first for Miller and save one of the prospects.

Except that yiu need muzzin insurance to be good at defending. Chariot can not do that. He literally cannot stop forwards from doing anything offensively. He's slow, hes immobile and the only thing he's good at in the defensive zone is tipping pucks more at his own net while screening his own goalie.
Cross checks and late hits are meaningless if thats all you can do

Yes definitely agree. But anytime I make the trade proposal Vancouver fans aren't happy that the 1st round pick is next year and not this years. So I went prospect heavy. And based on our team we won't need those prospects this year or next year and Vancouver may. I would be happy removing Amirov or Robertson and giving the 2023 first.

Id rather Robertson and Amirov tbh

he played 25 minutes per game during their stanley cup run last year (tops on their team). He was top pairing with Weber. Their team wasn't stanley cup finalist worthy but none the less that is very telling that he can indeed play and make a big impact. Not sure why you hate him so much. He would be an improvement over Holl, Dermott, and Lily. And all 3 of those players are serviceable NHL players on a very good team.

We aren't trading for Victor Hedman here. Even the best of the best get completely exposed by the Mcdavid's of the world.

And he got absolutely clobbered in those minutes. Every team at him alive and price, danault etc bailed him out. Ice time and being on a team that does well doesnt mean a player is good.
I dont hate him, i just know he's awful. Like, literally look at any stat of his, any one. Every single stat is bad.
Shots, chances, zone entries, hell even plus minus.
And the only goos things people can say about him is that he plays a lot,cross checks people and the canadians exceeded expectations last season.

Chariot wasnt just getting exposed by the mcdavids, he was getting exposed by the kerfoots and the engvalls

it's a lot to pay. But a point per game player at 2.625m cap a year for this year and next, who is a big body, can play wing, can play centre, has a great faceoff %. They become stanley cup favorites with Miller for this year and next.

So I would still pay it. I don't see Vancouver trading him unless they get a super package. Something on these lines or a Boldy/Rossi type of package from Min.

I trust that Dubas will make the right decision. I don't see him making a move unless it will be a legit upgrade over one of our guys.

And i can assure you that chariot is not that