If I were NYR I wouldn't do it.

Bottom-6 forward and bottom-pair LHD just wouldn't warrant a top prospect in return.

Easy now. Lundkvist is a promising RD for a team desperate for one, but that's all he is, "promising".
Not worth a significant overpay.

A significant overpay for a 30 point forward and a terrible defensemen ?

Chiarot is only a bottom pair dman on EA Sport

Ultimately I think habs get a 2nd for lek and another 2nd or maybe late 1st for chariot but as a ranger fan dont want either

If you look at points for Lehkonen I don’t think you watch hockey

His possession metrics are bad and his defensive metrics are pretty average aswell

Get a first for chiarot and a 2nd/3rd for lekhonen. Don’t bother with getting a guy another team is high on. You see rebuilding. Rebuilding teams go for as many picks as possible.

He shouldn't be any more than that. Put him in a higher role and he has probably the worst statline of all D-men in the league.

It is not possible to have good metrics and good defense metrics with the worse NHL team with the lowest scoring

I say this as a jets fan who has nothing to do with the habs. Lekhonen is a top tier penalty killer and a high end defensive forward. He won’t bring a lot on the scoresheet, but he’s everything you need off of it.

MTL went to the SCF with 4 dmans and he was playing top pairing. So you can’t call Edmundson Chiarot Petry Weber bottom pairing dman. They all proved they are the type of dman you need to succeed. Imagine if the Habs had an offensive dman last year

You guys like to live in the past it seems.

Out of all those four d-men Chiarot had easily the worst statline even in those playoffs. He was carried by Weber, Price and Petry respectively, and now with Weber and Price out and Petry having personal issues as well there's no one saving him from getting exposed.

His takeover as a leading LHD in Habs has turned out him looking like one of the worst D-man there is. I wouldn't trust him in any other role than a big body in the bottom-pair.

Lundqvist + kravtsov for lehkonen + 3rd
Chiarot for 1st + 3rd.
3rds cancel Each other. Habs could get back Kratsov and 1st in that package

2 first round picks for a 30 point forward lol

We watch the games, we went to the SCF and Chiarot wasn’t bad at all. Edmundson is the most steady dman, he doesn’t have bad games. Petry was ok, same for Weber. Chiarot & Edmundson stood out. Chiarot and Romanov are our best dman this year despite is stats, MTL are just garbage overall. No forwards who can play defense outside Lehkonen, every dman were lost in their own zone with Ducharme, goaltender have been atrocious recently (since Allen is out)

Kravtsob is not a 1st round caliber player. He's worth a 2nd. Lehky is way more than just a 30 point forward

In the playoffs last year, habs didn't play the 3rd pair, they put one of the top 4 guys, with one of the 3rd pair guys. Chiarot can't be carried when he played with merrily, and Gustafsson, kulak, and romanov. All bad players (except romy who played 2 games). Chiarot was carrying them and played great, not the other guys

I'm saying calm down and don't go crazy trying to get him. If one of those pieces isn't close to getting Lundkvist, walk away.
Chiarot and Lehkonen separately are expected to get a better cumulative return than Lundkvist alone. This is putting all your eggs in one basket. Not warranted at this time.

Could you imagine Lehkonen bringing back more than Toffoli 😂

I can in general understand where you come from, for a fan a big body stay at home D-man sounds like a secure piece worth keeping unless the return for him in a trade is solid. I myself think this way with Esa Lindell, who plays somewhat similar role as Chiarot does. Eating minutes, eating the pucks, being the first man out there to help the goalie do his job. His metrics aren't really that impressive either due to his poor offensive abilities, but I still like him. Especially in the playoffs, that kind of players are very valuable for us. I recall back in 2019 when we dropped against Blues in the second round after that Game 7, our coach Montgomery said that Lindell was our best player in that series since he could rely on him in basically under any situation there was. Which also ultimately lead him to get a bloated contract for a defensive 2nd pair D-man.

The thing is, despite his play style having some value for us, I'm not here going to say that Lindell is worth a king's ransom. His numbers are relatively meh, and he is a bit overpaid for what he ultimately brings. However, Chiarot's numbers are and have consistently been MUCH worse than Lindell's are. Plus he's three years older than Lindell is.

Now I know valuating assets is a bit subjective, but why does my evaluation in Lindell's value differ so much from Habs fans valuation on Chiarot, who is objectively the worse player here in basically all metrics, except maybe his contract at $3,5M is more reasonable for what the guy brings (because if he was near $6M he'd probably have the worst contract in the entire league). Do you guys have an actual own opinion on him, or do you just go by the insider rumors and hope for the best - like what happened with Toffoli just recently?

Obviously Lehkonen isn't worth two firsts, but he's not simply a 30 point forward. Kravtsov's value is low, so he's not worth a 1st currently either. That trade is still lopsided, but it helps to identify the pieces before making that determination.

Rangers should stay away from Chiarot if they're smart. All they need is a small add on the back end, de Haan and Hagg both can be that and it wouldn't cost the overpay Chiarot will cost.

I wouldn’t trade a 2nd RD pick for Chiarot personally, I’m just going with that the insiders thinks he’ll fetch. But he was good last year in the playoffs. In the regular season, it’s another story

Some people should start watching games when they're bringing Lehkonen's point totals, you guys are really doing it on purpose at this point.