I like the thought process here, curious to see what sens fans think. I do think value is in our favor a little but but as the bones of a trades I like it from our perspective

Wowza that’s pretty underwhelming for Ottawa…Murphy is a fine defender but giving up 7th overall for him…I don’t know. Sure there is a cap dump aspect but that’s not going to get it done for Ottawa. And I’m an ottawa hater. They regressed from last year and they are 4-5 years in to this supposed rebuild

Connor Murphy needs to show there’s no lingering effects of his two concussions last season. His trade value is pretty low right now. BTW, Matt Murray has the same issues going on.

Murphy is not worth a top 10 pick,m he may not be worth a first round pick at all, maybe a 2nd and a 3rd or 2x 2nds, teams dont pay top 10 picks to move cap dumps and OTT does not actualy need a RHD that is just pundits talking and Dorion repeating what they saying, they have Thompson who is NHL ready and that Chabot liked playing with and JBD right behind, they need a top 6 RW tho, Brown is more suited on the 3rd line

Ottawa will only move 7th for a legit legit player that’s it

The one thing I'd say about Murphy's injury history is that it's not typically the same thing. It's not like Calvin DeHaan with three years in a row with the same shoulder...to which he even came back from that too to be honest. I'm not suggesting he never ever gets hurt....that's just part of hockey, but... Back, Groin, Hip, Then this past year the 1st time he received a concussion with the Hawks. Full Injury history below for transparency.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/players/news/connor-murphy/2160/

Like who?

Like at least a 65pt winger . A guy that had 65+ minimum 2 seasons and has term and under 26 with no injury history

I was looking into Murphy’s past for other concussions, and I didn’t see any. In fact, he seems to have different injuries, just a lot of them, luckily short term mostly.

So I understand what you’re saying, but this is a big one. Ottawa lost Clarke MacArthur to concussions, we fans understand how bad they can get. Dorion would be cautious about acquiring Murphy even if the pick wasn’t involved.

But don't you think you'd have to give up more than the 7th OA for a guy under 26, but still already has A.) (2) 65+ seasons and B.) a contract with term on it? That's a very unusual mixture. To be an RFA with (2) seasons of 65+ points and then get a new contract with term means you probably should have been top 3 in your draft class with hindsight, no?

***EDIT*** I just did a quick search for everyone drafted during or after the 2015 draft class...needs to be sub 26 years old... Mikko Rantanen, Elias Peterson, Kyle Connor, Sebastian Aho,...These are the guys you're hoping to get with the #7OA.

There are a few players in the NHL that we would spend #7 on.

Connor Murphy isn't one of them.



Would you have spent #7 on Niklas Hjalmarsson when he was in his prime?

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/connor-murphy

If it’s not guys like Ehlers , Fiala , etc then I’m just keeping the pick

That would be Fiala, but are the Sens willing to pay the man what he wants?

After signing him and other RFAs, they would be close to cap limit, and i'm not sure Sens owners wants that right now.

That's why i think they will just draft someone instead of trading the pick.

None of them are available.

Keep the pick and sign Giroux for 3 years. Probably the best thing to do

I've been mulling over a situation where Cat and Murphy go to Ottawa. But there would have to be a substantial amount more than the 7th OA coming back from Ottawa that I don't think they would want to part with.

I mean, Hawks fans would undoubtedly say yes because the won 3 cups and without Hammer I'm not sure they win 3 cups. Cups > ANY picks

I'm surprised I didn't comment on that trade back then. I guess it's situational. You bring up Hammer and the #7...to which I'd say this is actually pretty darn close to what @csick is looking for. I can 100% understand the #7 isn't the same as the #20. But that's the only difference from my trade above and what @csick is looking for. Murphy did have a very good contract coming with him and he was 25 years old. Now, if you say OTT doesn't need a RD. OK, all of this is a waste and I also 100% concede that you OTT fans would know better than me.

***EDIT*** Is the #20 pick...with a good track record and a good contract better or worse than the #7 pick with OUT a track record? There's a lot of busts in the top 10 too.

Well the conversation ends as soon as u mention Sanderson

I’d rather draft at 7 and hope he becomes a Clayton Keller type forward

Yeah. I figured as much. What about JBD or Thomson?

They could be included

I think the best you're going to get from us for Connor Murphy is something like Nikita Zaitsev + our two seconds for 2022.

I think Connor Murphy would be an excellent target for Ottawa to pursue (barring any lingering injury concerns). He's a strong defensive Dman who can play big minutes. That said, no chance in hell is that type of player bringing back the 7th overall pick. Even including Murray it's not close. First off it's not even clear that Murray is even going to play again, so the cap concern might completely mooted. Even if he does, Ottawa should have the space to build out their team the way they want even figuring in Murray's deal, provided they deal with Zaitsev and White. By next off season, when they really need the space it shouldn't be hard to dump a 1 year deal.

I honestly think it is a pretty close deal, murphy is coming off his worst season in quite a few yrs so I can’t imagine his value is that high. He faces extremely tough matchups and surprisingly has to play with low end teammates very often. murphy can really be the guy Ottawa is missing on the backend. Saving the cap is an important factor for OTT if they want to move out of this rebuild (which they aren’t as ready as Dorion thinks they are). This picks are so valuable "in theory" looking at some past draft trades like Risto or Stepan/Raanta the returns aren’t as lucrative.

I think it's a fair question to ask, but I don't think Murphy moves the needle enough for 7OA, and they're not that desperate to get rid of Murray. There's like a 90% chance that he'll end up on LTIR within the first month of the season, and if they're that desperate to get rid of him, Arizona and 3rd round picks exist for that. As somebody else mentioned, I love the idea of the Sens trying to get Murphy, but he's just not the guy you trade the 7th overall pick for