My point is the Isles don't trade Dobson because based on other offers on this ACGM they could trade different pieces and still acquire Miller for "less"

And I don't see that happening on our end, which is exactly why I think our offer would be beat. I personally wouldn't be opposed to swapping Addison for Dumba in a deal like that for Miller, but Miller would have to come with a reasonable extension (at or under $8M AAV) for me to stomach that. Again though, I just think Dumba, a protected pick, and Jost is probably the best offer Guerin would be willing to make.

How likely is Bode Wilde to be a Top-4 NHL Dman?

You clearly don’t have a grasp on what Miller is worth in a trade. The deal at the draft was most likely something around 2022 1st , 2nd + a prospect like Simon Holmstrom.

If he got his vaccine it would be way more likely because Lou is keeping him in overseas exile. I like the player though

Are you still going?? I have acknowledged the discrepancy in Value with a Miller/Dobson swap... I am just saying that is the only NYI piece that makes sense for VAN from my perspective (I copy/pasted this sentence from my last response, seems you keep missing this)

Easiest pass in history for the Rangers.

Idk how many times we have to go over this but NYR offered more than this at the TDL and was rejected by VAN... this is a fair trade

where does the cap space come from then?
Copp AND Strome were never both coming back and Trocheck replaces Copp OR Strome.

You can take Carolina off the suitors list.

In my opinion, that's a worse offer than Lundkvist + Chytil + Rangers' 1st that was denied at TDL.

Dumba is a UFA next season, Jost is worse than Chytil, and the Minnesota 1st with Miller on the team likely comes in around 17-25 anyway.

Canucks would need Faber/Addison + 2023 1st (Top-10 protected, sure) + Beckman/Khusnutdinov + Jost (for cap reasons), more if Miller was being retained.

We don't need retention, but again: I think our best offer would be Dumba, top 10-15 protected 1st, and Jost which as I've said all along I don't see how that offer is not beat.

I don't see any way we move Faber, I could see Addison but I don't think Guerin would move him for a rental. Beckman/Khusnutdinov would surprise me, especially Khusnutdinov since we need centers, considering we have $13-14M in dead cap the next few years and will need ELC forwards.

I love Miller but I just don't think we'll be the team that pays the price for him.

Really I don't see a market for Miller now. Now if a "name" forward gets injured during the season or a TDL to a contender might be the Canucks only option. Of course the Canucks are hoping Miller is on pace to a 100 point season like last year instead of more traditional 70 point season.

Reading more of the thread's conversation, I just wanted to jump in and say I think it's really limiting the return to just focus on getting an RD back, because these values are flying all over the place when you do that.

BOS: Brandon Carlo is a decent defensive D (21-49-70 in 403 GP) who's 25 and has a reasonable 5x$4.1M deal. Mason Langenbrunner is a 5th round pick from 2020 who hasn't shown up on any Bruins prospect lists that I can find. A 2025 2nd has lower value since it's, y'know, three drafts away and hard to judge where it might land. This deal feels like a slam dunk for the Bruins to make if they want to keep pushing for the playoffs this year.

CAR: Ethan Bear is 25 and also is another less offensively-minded RHD (13-34-47 in 190 GP). Morrow is considered to be *at worst* Carolina's #2 prospect, plus what's probably a late 2nd in this year's deep draft class. This is too much, IMO, and way more valuable than the Boston offer (would you trade Carlo/Langenbrunner/2025 2nd for Bear/Morrow/2023 2nd?)

NYI: Dobson is the youngest NHL regular mentioned so far (22), and in 2021-22 he outscored Bear's career numbers (13-38-51) and got within shouting distance of Carlo's 403-game career scoring output. He's a much different player than anyone on the list so far, and I wouldn't consider trading him for either the Boston or Carolina packages, much less one-for-one with a walk year JT Miller. Even if he doesn't advance past this year's level, an RHD who can score 45-50 points while still being strong in his own end is a top-tier asset.

NYR: Lundkvist just came over to North America as a 21-year-old this year and held his own, so the Top-4 upside he came over from Sweden with should still hold. I don't hate the idea of the Rangers trading him since they have a handful of good-looking D prospects, but I also don't think adding a 1st & a 3rd to Lundkvist is necessary. He's more valuable than Bear, Carlo, or Langenbrunner to me and if the ask is NIls++, I pass.

TOR: This probably gets closest, to me? Liljegren is 23, has some experience in the NHL (5-18-23 in 61 GP this year) and should have room to grow. The pick is most likely in the mid/late 20s, so while it's a deep draft class, I can see the value being there for one year of Miller. But then you run into the problem that Toronto has no cap space - even if you fully retain on Miller, they *still* need to move out cap to make this deal work. I can't see the Leafs as a viable destination for Miller right now because of that.

MIN: This value is completely weird. Dumba is a pending UFA making $6M who has settled in as a 35-40 point D per 82 GP. So I'm not sure why a cap-strapped Minnesota is a)retaining and b)adding so much draft capital to get a player in Miller who makes them slightly better offensively but forces them to push up a player that might not be ready into every day minutes. I don't know why you wouldn't ask for Calen Addison here if you're dead-set on getting an RHD.

So yeah, I agree with the poster earlier who said the values are out of whack. I wouldn't move any of the other 5 deals for the Boston deal, and I honestly don't think any of the other 5 deals would get you Noah Dobson. And I seriously think if you get tunnel vision on filling a specific need with a JT Miller trade, you're going to get a weaker return or shut out other potential trade partners who might not be as flush in that asset.

Each time you conveniently omit that the supposed offer is a rumor AND if true, it would have been for 2 playoff runs, not just one, which is worth A LOT LESS. Easy PASS from the Rangers on your JT Miller rental.