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Hayton Like Hagel

Created by: earl08
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 18, 2022
Published: Sep. 18, 2022
Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Team Explanation
AZ has: Cooley, Geekie, and possibly Bedard. If COL overpays for Hayton, AZ might want to accept.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Behrens, Sean2$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Meyers, Ben2$1,500,000
Hayton, Barrett1$1,500,000
Maltsev, Mikhail1$1,000,000
Newhook, Alex1$3,500,000
Byram, Bowen1$3,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
MacKinnon, Nathan8$11,000,000
Cogliano, Andrew1$800,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Hayton, Barrett [RFA Rights]
ARI
  1. Ranta, Sampo [RFA Rights]
  2. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
  3. 2024 1st round pick (COL)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$83,141,667$0$57,500$358,333
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Landeskog, Gabriel
$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6
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MacKinnon, Nathan
$11,000,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
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Rantanen, Mikko
$9,250,000
RW, C
NTC
UFA - 2
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Lehkonen, Artturi
$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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Newhook, Alex
$3,500,000
C, LW
RFA
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Nichushkin, Valeri
$6,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 7
Hayton, Barrett
$1,500,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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Meyers, Ben
$1,500,000
LW, C
RFA
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Olausson, Oskar
$894,167
RW
RFA - 2
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Maltsev, Mikhail
$1,000,000
C, LW
RFA
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Foudy, Jean-Luc
$847,500
C
RFA - 2
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O'Connor, Logan
$1,050,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Toews, Devon
$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Makar, Cale
$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
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Georgiev, Alexandar
$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
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Byram, Bowen
$3,500,000
LD
RFA
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Girard, Samuel
$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
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Francouz, Pavel
$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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Behrens, Sean
$925,000
LD
RFA
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Manson, Josh
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Cogliano, Andrew
$800,000
LW
UFA
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Hunt, Brad
$762,500
LD
UFA - 1
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MacDermid, Kurtis
$987,500
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 1

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Sep. 18 at 9:59 a.m.
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Hayton isn’t worth a fraction of that. Hagel had more goals than Hayton had points. Hayton is basically Tyson Jost, would you give up that package Jost? Hayton was over drafted, has under performed and I wouldn’t trade Ranta for him straight up.
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Sep. 18 at 10:01 a.m.
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Banking on a team making a bad trade just because a other team made a bad trade isnt a great strategy
Sep. 18 at 10:03 a.m.
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Just offersheet him with a front-loaded deal. Poverty franchise wouldn't be able to match.
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Sep. 18 at 10:19 a.m.
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he's worth a 2nd at best lmao
Sep. 18 at 10:25 a.m.
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Ranta + 2 1sts could get a legit top 6 forward, why waste those assets on a struggling prospect?
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Sep. 18 at 10:26 a.m.
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Quoting: NoWah49
he's worth a 2nd at best lmao


I 2nd that
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Sep. 18 at 10:28 a.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Banking on a team making a bad trade just because a other team made a bad trade isnt a great strategy


Honestly I wouldn’t even criticize the Hagel trade. TBL needed to add a forward and someone who is mad cheap. They got both.
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Sep. 18 at 10:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
Honestly I wouldn’t even criticize the Hagel trade. TBL needed to add a forward and someone who is mad cheap. They got both.


I get the trade from the Lightning side, they were back to back champs, hagel has the potential is the right age and he has a good cheap contract with term.
But they still over paid significantly, but then rich people over pay for things all the time but they can take the hit
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Sep. 18 at 10:36 a.m.
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Quoting: Richard88
Ranta + 2 1sts could get a legit top 6 forward, why waste those assets on a struggling prospect?


I suppose Hayton could show improvement. Avs can't afford an expensive top six F; they'll have to look for value players.
Sep. 18 at 10:38 a.m.
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Quoting: earl08
I suppose Hayton could show improvement. Avs can't afford an expensive top six F; they'll have to look for value players.


Hayton is neither a top six forward or a player who shows signs of improvement lol
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Sep. 18 at 10:42 a.m.
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Quoting: earl08
I suppose Hayton could show improvement. Avs can't afford an expensive top six F; they'll have to look for value players.


You're right, Avs need value players. But spending their best trade assets on questions marks isn't getting value.
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Sep. 18 at 10:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
Hayton is neither a top six forward or a player who shows signs of improvement lol


This is a 23-24 roster. After one whole season a lot can change. If it's not BH, could be Lundestrom, Wahlstrom, or someone similar.
Sep. 18 at 10:56 a.m.
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Quoting: earl08
I suppose Hayton could show improvement. Avs can't afford an expensive top six F; they'll have to look for value players.


You signed Newhook to play 2C for 2023-24 for 3.5M. If he continues his ascension from last year through this year and beyond THAT is a value player.
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Sep. 18 at 11:04 a.m.
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Quoting: earl08
This is a 23-24 roster. After one whole season a lot can change. If it's not BH, could be Lundestrom, Wahlstrom, or someone similar.


Probably won’t be any of those guys tbh. Wahlstrom isn’t going to be worth that unless he takes a HUGE step forward. And tbh I doubt the isles would want to send him somewhere he’s basically guaranteed to figure it out lol. Lunderstrom isn’t going to be worth that either.
Sep. 18 at 11:23 a.m.
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Quoting: BruinsCharlies
You signed Newhook to play 2C for 2023-24 for 3.5M. If he continues his ascension from last year through this year and beyond THAT is a value player.


Both AN and BB will have to take bridge deals. Avs have taken it slow with AN, I imagine to avoid a Jost repeat. I suspect his 2C opportunity in 22-23 will get cut into by ER; this has the added benefit of capping AN's pts totals, giving him less ammo to resist a cheaper, one year bridge.

Byram is the guy who could really explode, but COL can also limit his regular season mins, justified by wanting to avoid a 3rd concussion. BB COULD demand a big raise, but there's no Arb, and he sees Toews here w only 1yr left. Taking a 1yr bridge is a nice setup in 24-25 for BB to slide into that #2 D spot, be the man, and get a huge deal as the cap takes off.
Sep. 18 at 12:27 p.m.
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Quoting: earl08
I suppose Hayton could show improvement. Avs can't afford an expensive top six F; they'll have to look for value players.


Quoting: Richard88
You're right, Avs need value players. But spending their best trade assets on questions marks isn't getting value.


IF they were to overpay for someone in the vein of the Hagel trade, it could be someone like Gourde with 50% retention. It can't be someone you just hope figures it out.
Sep. 18 at 2:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Anus_McLeod
IF they were to overpay for someone in the vein of the Hagel trade, it could be someone like Gourde with 50% retention. It can't be someone you just hope figures it out.


That's fine, but with this roster a year out there has to be some projection. Gourde half retained might be too expensive. I'm thinking about an under $2M RFA with multiple cheap years remaining.
Sep. 18 at 6:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
Hayton is neither a top six forward or a player who shows signs of improvement lol


Quoting: earl08
I suppose Hayton could show improvement. Avs can't afford an expensive top six F; they'll have to look for value players.


Quoting: earl08
This is a 23-24 roster. After one whole season a lot can change. If it's not BH, could be Lundestrom, Wahlstrom, or someone similar.


Quoting: Isles5513
Probably won’t be any of those guys tbh. Wahlstrom isn’t going to be worth that unless he takes a HUGE step forward. And tbh I doubt the isles would want to send him somewhere he’s basically guaranteed to figure it out lol. Lunderstrom isn’t going to be worth that either.


Hayton showed improvement last season in his production rates and his two way play - the value in Hayton would be if Colorado traded for him right now and signed him to a 1.5-1.75 mill 3-4 year contract. Hagel was only worth the price TB paid for him because his salary his 1.5 mill for 3 seasons.


Wahlstrom is a pretty safe bet for 20+ goals next season which means on a bridge he’d command at least 3 mill and the isles also have no interest in trading one of their only dynamic forwards.
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Sep. 18 at 8:10 p.m.
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Besides starting with the letter H the 2 players have nothing in common.

I think this is a good opportunity to really think about the differences and learn a lot about how trades work in the NHL.
Sep. 18 at 10:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Meeqs
Besides starting with the letter H the 2 players have nothing in common.

I think this is a good opportunity to really think about the differences and learn a lot about how trades work in the NHL.


I thought the H means they're the same everything?
Sep. 18 at 10:40 p.m.
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What kind of substance are you on to think that Hagel is a comparable for Hayton? Dissapointing players who are struggling do not fetch 2 first round picks... Avs counter with Jean-Luc Foudy for 3 first round picks
Sep. 18 at 10:40 p.m.
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What kind of substance are you on to think that Hagel is a comparable for Hayton? Dissapointing players who are struggling do not fetch 2 first round picks... Avs counter with Jean-Luc Foudy for 3 first round picks
 
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