They aren't going to give Zub and Mtl probably wouldn't want Formenton, if they are giving Zub, it's a 1 for 1 more or less. They are looking for a Zaitsev replacement not a Zub replacement.

What an absolutely terrible move for Ottawa. Zub is better by a country mile, but they're somehow giving up a 2nd too?

If the habs are trading savard its for a futures based deal they are trading him because they have to many nhl calibre dmen

Replace Zub with Zaitsev would the trade be acceptable.

Habs could then turn around and trade Zaitsev at the TDL

Savard & his term are dump territory, maybe for JTM?

RHD is one of the main spots that Ottawa fans have been saying needs an upgrade - why would they trade an RHD for another (older, more expensive) RHD *and* throw in extra assets?

I could see Ottawa taking a swing at Savard if they like him, but they're not sending back an RHD when it's already a weak position for them.

I think Ottawa would take that deal for sure lol. I don't think Hughes does though. Zaitsev is probably not going to bring anything back at TDL at least not this year and Formenton hasn't been cleared in the WJ investigation.

Unless Habs retain

Not a bad thought for both teams....

Zaitsev and a 2nd (which looks like a quality pick) for Savard sounds quite reasonable.

Formenton has ZERO value, more like negative value.

Hughes isn't going to retain on 2 years, it would be a waste of retention spot. 50% on Zaitsev puts him at 2.25m, I don't know any contender who would want him at that. Perhaps they get offered like a 5th for Zaitsev at 2.25m but chances are that they would have to add the sweetner.

Maybe next year, if he shows that he's good. The only benefit out of that trade for MTL is trading Savard for a mid to high 2nd, unless that can't get a 2nd elsewhere, there's no reason for them to take on Zaitsev.

Do you live under a rock ?
Zub is a hundred times better than Savard
Yes Savard is good and can still play top 4 minutes on a 2nd pairing, but Zub is way better
Zaitsev is a major cap dump because he is overpaid AND bad
He’s not NHL caliber, even if you retained half of that contract, he’s not upgrading any blue line in the NHL

I think zero is more accurate with there being positive upside. He's unsigned so if he gets charged it doesn't harm MTL, if he gets cleared then they get a good player.

Montreal would be more interested in a prospect like Thompson IMO, so Thompson + 2nd for Savard. If we have to take Zaitzev then the Sens have to include a 1st and drop the 2nd to a 3rd

That was my initial thought, but after the Mailloux and Miller experiences, I dont know if MTL management wants to acquire (even the rights) to a player under that cloud.

I agree, if Formenton is cleared he has really good value, but until then, I think teams steer well clear

If Savard is on the move, it's probably to Laval.

Savard playing well against top line …

First, Formenton doesn't "exist" this season and won't be traded or signed. He's not the only RFA unsigned because of a contract dispute...

When and IF his name gets cleared, you'd have to pony up something you really don't want to give up to get him. He's very good at hockey and has a lot of (pending) value


Now even if you remove Formenton, what makes you think the Sens will want to do Zub for Savard (not to mention add a 2nd)????

That package is highly delusional. In fact, Sens don't need or have space for anything the Habs have for that package

No space/AAV for Suzuki/Caufield/Dach/Ghule... I don't even see anything they'd be targeting with that package outside of their 2023 first +




Formenton is not available for anything

Zaitsev has zero value and will be bought out next summer

Very good point - Montreal already has Mailloux and the attendant fallout from that, I don't think that they'd want to even risk the possibility of Formenton being part of that investigation.

Nobody is trading for Formenton until they know what the 'verdict" is. Sens don't want to move him either

If he's guilty, he has no value and will most likely never play another NHL game

If he gets cleared, his value is restored and he's once again very valuable.



Yeah but why would Ottawa give up a good player for nothing? He's not going to get traded until further notice



No to all of this. It would just be added to Dorion's disasters list.

Thomson (still 1st value to Ottawa as he was drafted 19th OA just 3 years ago and has been progressing well in the AHL) and a 2nd for Savard?

And like we already discussed before, buying out Zaitsev's last contract year instead of sacrificing a 1st to dump him is a no brainer. Useless to mention it as a possiblity

The if was because the Sens have 3.3 mil cap space and Savards cap hit is 3.5 mil. If we can do it without taking Zaitzev great but it still will cost a 1st + and Hughes has said he prefers older prospects over picks hence Thompson over the 2023 1st.

Edit Greig is another option over Thompson

No, no he isn't.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=MTL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=110&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

And if you watched hockey Wideman and Kovacenic are the worse by far … advance stats are useless
Guhle-Savard shouldn’t be playing top pairing minutes, but they are doing well. On a 2nd pairing, there numbers would be way better
Anyway you are the Windjammer of EDM and you don’t watch hockey
You have zero hockey knowledge you think Barrie is good and have a good contract lmao

lol no Greig is NOT an option, you'd have to pony up something indecent you don't even want to see mentioned

You realize the Sens didn't want to trade Pinto or Greig for Chychrun, right?

Ok so now back to the first thing

In WHAT WORLD would the Sens want to give up Thomson + 1st + 3rd + Zaitsev for 32 y/o David freaking Savard?

LMAOOO this is meant to be a joke, right? please tell me it's supposed to be a joke because I really don't want to believe that y'all are genuinely this ridiculous

To be fair, Zaitsev and Savard are close in cap and contract, the differences being Zaitsev isn;t as good, and Savard is older and likely more injury prone. If OTT added a 2nd (which appears to be a quality pick) I think MTL would have to look closely.

Savard is an average 2nd line RD, definitely not a 1RD, but hes a nice vet to pair with a youngster and a great veteran 3 RD if you have the cap space. Zaitsev similarly is a nice 3 RD vet, albeit a lesser Savard, but not at 4.5mil. Maybe the 2nd is not enough, maybe a bit more (a 4th?), but I dont think the difference is as massive as some think.

But Zub for Savard + is a non starter.