Two brutal trades for the Leafs. Siegenthaler especially being a UFA, isn't worth nearly that.
PJ is just bad. The Leafs aren't better with the trades this year and definitely a lot worse in the future.

Siegenthaler will be a UFA in 6 years silly comment. NJ passes anyway.... Irrational comment about if they didn't want to trade hime they'd just added the NTC'. What team forces themselves into a box if they don't have to always better to keep options open.

Siegenthaler is not for sale, period.

Thanks for the update. Good contract for Siegenthaler, just wondering if the Leafs can afford it as opposed to Sandin

wow not even close for bouchard

Siegenthaler is contracted until 2029, he is not a UFA lol. He goes up to 3.4 next year, which is why Holl would need to be moved to make up that extra $2m

the leafs win both of these trades, what are you cooking?

As you said NJ has no reason to make the trade and honestly we’d be giving up too much.

And there’s no chance Edmonton trades Bouchard for that package.

I get NJD has no real reason to trade him. I just think if hes the case of "not for sale, period" his M-NTC wouldn't be held off until 2024-25. It would of been starting with his new contract in 2023-24 or even added to the last year of his current deal (Like Rielly had done with his new contract)

I don't think his NTC has anything to do with his being available for trade; it's a very typical contract structure. He is a core member of our D group and would only be moved for a ludicrous return.

Sorry PJ is bad, and certainly not worth 3m contract. Leafs can't afford his 3m QO not summer.
I'm just saying try making a roster for 23/24. Having Siegenthaler at 3,4m over 1.4m Sandin, and want PJ too at 3m? What about raises to Kampf, Holmberg , Timmins and Bunting

They didn't add the trade protection prior to 24/25 as they are not able to. You cannot put trade protection in RFA years. Check out Nylander's deal for similat

Siegenthaler has been resigned on a good contract. And the main return is Bouchard not Pulujarvi

Holl isn't signed next year

so true, people in this thread aren't talking about the actually egregiously bad trade on here which is bouchard for literally nothing and then leaving him scratched, i'm convinced the OP does not know who bouchard is

Ehh the Siegenthaler one is less clear. Sandin and a first is valuable. Ty Voit is a solid prospect. I think its more that NJD has no reason to trade Siegenthaler than it is per se bad value for him.

Again to ensure you see this, they are not able per the CBA to put trade protection on next year

Holl will replace him

It really is quite the trade eh?

Holl: 3rd pairing D expiring UFA, who admittedly has proven can be a good passenger in top 4 with the right partner. MAAAAYBE worth a 3rd if being generous
Kallgren a mid 20s #3-4 goalie (he's not young he's a few months older than Samsonov and 2 years younger than Murray). LIkely waiver wire value, maybe a 7th
Kerfoot: ironically likely the most valuable piece here. Likely worth about a 3rd, but to the right team I could see him maaaybe getting a second as a versatile forward on a reasonable deal. Edmonton does not seem like a place with a lot of need.

Being very, very generous this is a: 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 7th. And more realistically Two 3rds and a 5th for a high end young Dman

Sandin and Holl are as good Seiganhaler and Bouchard this season. Kerfoot is better than PJ the season.
Leafs certainly don't have the cap or desire to QO PJ next season. Even Siejganhaler and Bouchard next season would likely be too expensive for the Leafs next season, compared to Sandin and another RHD. (Holl shorts term, or resigning Timmins or Holloway.
Now I agree that Oilers don't do the trade, but Jersey with their good cap don't either. But it's not a good fit for the Leafs either.

My understanding is that you can't get a NTC or NMC until your seventh year in the NHL.

Whether that's true or not, I doubt that Siegenthaler is on the table for a not-thoroughly-tried LhD. New Jersey knows exactly what they have with Siegenthaler, including 5 more years under contract, while Sandin is still a very promising prospect who is due a new contract next season.

Bouchard has at least as much value as Siegenthaler, so he would require a similar package, and that stew isn't close. You're apparently unaware of this, hence his presence on your Scratch list; he'd play higher up than Liljegren or Timmons.

I'll agree with you with everyone but Holl. Funny how so many think 20m a night Holl on a good team is so much worse, than all the other available RHD this TDL who are bottom enders on non playoff teams.

Okay, I see this now, I'm guessing since Rielly signed his before his last year they were able to add it? Or is CapFriendly lying by the "CLAUSE DETAILS: No Move clause negotiated for the 2021-22 season as part of his 8 year extension signed on October 29, 2021." note on his 2021-22 NMC clause? Or was it possible for him because of his years in the league already?

Rielly has already been in UFA years for a few years. When a player is still in RFA years (ie if his contract were to end the year before and he would be a RFA it is considered an RFA year) they cannot have trade protection.

An oversimplified definition (it is a little more nuanced) is a player is not UFA eligible until they are either 27 or have played 7 professional (AHL/NHL) years. Whichever comes first.

For everyone commenting on Bouchard. I'll admit I haven't followed him at all and just threw in an RD from Edmonton to be depth in place of Holl. I see now looking at his stats from this year that he would not work in this package. (Although at a -14, he can't be that amazing of a defenseman).