Boston just doesn't have what it takes to aquire Chychryun. It would start with Lysell, 2023 first +

If that was the package Arizona would accept it’d be done. I agree that Boston likely gets Chychrun and it’s going to cost them. It also doesn’t increase their chances of getting out of the East.

That is pretty light.

Soooo they do have what it takes.

Load of crap. They have all their 1sts, Lysell, Lohrei. They can put a package together that works if they WANT to.

Considering what Zona expects, don’t expect it to be Boston. They kicked the tires. Unless the tires lose some air it’s not going to happen.

Arizona turned down 1st/Lysell/Urho/2nd/Moore last year turning B’s to Lindholm. Boston is not upping the offer, especially with 1 year of term gone since then.

We can use some logic here - and figure out that carlo isn’t even in this discussion.

Chychrun is a left shot D, so if this move was to be made, a left shot D would have to go out the door. Given chychrun’a style, it would surely be grzelcyk. That said, would arizona really have that much interest in Grzelcyk? Awesome player for sure, but doesn’t fit their window.

I think the only way this works is if Boston moves Grzelcyk to another team for futures, and uses those pieces - along with futures of their own - to get chychrun.

For example - grzelcyk to edmonton for a first.
To arizona:
EDM 2023 first
BOS 2023 first
Lysell

We don't have a roster spot for smith

The rumors are fake. Just like Horvat to Boston.

Pretty sure even a desperate Oilers club wouldn't be interested in giving up a first for Grzelcyk, who seems like more of a damn good 4/5 d-man.

First, second and Lysell is nice. Vaakanainen and Moore? Gross

Top four d man in his 20s with three years of term under $4M is a first all day long in this league.

I think it’s pretty tough to talk about him potentially being a five when he’s been a part of arguably the best d pair in the NHL over the last three years.

2nd was to take Moore. 1st/Lysell/Urho was for Chychrun. Urho was the 17th pick in his draft class and was looking pretty solid in the NHL when the offer was made. Falls right in the wheelhouse of what they are asking for. Urho was far more valuable than the 2nd.

Lol he can hardly crack the d corps of the worst team in the league lol

He’s been hurt. He was playing 20 mins a night last year.

Yeah...so does Klingberg

At the time vaakanainen was playing pretty well, and over 19 minutes a night on his ELC in boston. What’s gross about an ELC d man playing well?

Jonathan Kovacevic has played over 20 minutes 6 times this year as a rookie. And?

Point taken, top-four is better. Having McAvoy by your side for a good chunk of those three seasons isn't anything to sneeze at and Carlo's pretty good as well. Don't get me wrong, I'd take Grzelcyk on the Sabres and that's a real good AAV, however I'm not sure how he'd play after taking him out of Boston which has given him all the tools with which to thrive-- the pairings he's been on, the appropriate ice-time, the system he's been in, the 200' work of the forwards including perennial Selke candidate and five-time winner, Bergeron.

Linus Ullmark struggled with consistency in Buffalo and we've seen what he can do on a team like Boston. Grzelcyk, imo, is in a similar situation.


Edit: And, yes, he's in his 20's but barely

Don’t deflect. What’s gross about an ELC defensemen playing over 19 minutes a night (for more than six games mind you), and playing well? Can’t really see much of a gross downside there.

I'm just proving a point. Anyone can play 19 minutes a night - doesn't mean they're a good piece in a trade.

I’m not saying he’s top pair or anything, and yes, he’s certainly in a good situation in Boston. That said, his contributions can’t be overlooked. Do we think McAvoy has been by far and away the best defensemen in the NHL over the last three season? If so, fair. That pair is tops in basically every statistical category (both expected and real) over the last three seasons for any pair that’s had 1,000+ minutes together - which I think is a reasonable sample size for three seasons.

No, you’re deflecting.

What’s gross about it? Where’s the downside?

And no, not anyone can play 19+ minutes a night for a 107 point team that played in a bear of a division.

Put it this way, i was annoyed that they traded him.

Fair enough.

BTW, interested in where you got those expected and real stats for pairings. Would love to use it for research purposes.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/pairings.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=ALL&loc=B&toi=1000&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410

Takes a minute or so to load, but its valuable info.

Their numbers are nuts. Goals for % is 74.47%. Next closest is 65.22%.

Sweet