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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #10: The Trade Timer Ticks

Feb. 17, 2023 at 3:13 p.m.
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Fully normal, system coaches like Sutter are good for a small while and then it falls off, happens every time, whether it's Torts, Trotz, Boudreau, etc


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Feb. 17, 2023 at 3:16 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Fully normal, system coaches like Sutter are good for a small while and then it falls off, happens every time, whether it's Torts, Trotz, Boudreau, etc


I generally agree, but Trotz is the exception to the rule. He's certainly stubborn, but he was able to make his star players adapt to his system in Washington and it paid off big time. NYI are certainly worse off w/o him.
Feb. 17, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.
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Fully normal, system coaches like Sutter are good for a small while and then it falls off, happens every time, whether it's Torts, Trotz, Boudreau, etc


The problem with systems coaches is that they are always tightening the screws in a futile pursuit of perfection.
No system is perfect. There has to be room for improvisation and creativity, as well as an allowance for mistakes.
If you could win with only a system, you wouldn't need dynamic or highly skilled players, just physically capable players who understood and followed instructions.
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Feb. 17, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.
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Thanks bro 👍


What do you suggest Mikheyev is worth then? Cheaper than Anderson. Better offensively than Anderson. Better defensively Anderson. And he is fast!!!

I think Mikheyev for 2 firsts, and a prospect is good value right?
Feb. 17, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
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Any good head coaches available?


Andrew Brunette has an out clause of his deal with NJD if certain teams offer him head coaching gig.

(but he is probably staying and replacing Ruff next year).
Feb. 17, 2023 at 3:58 p.m.
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Bro, just shut up


Telling me to shutup for voicing my opinion? You claim to be an expert at trade value. I'm just curious to what you think a guy like Mikheyev could get in a trade
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Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:00 p.m.
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Telling me to shutup for voicing my opinion? You claim to be an expert at trade value. I'm just curious to what you think a guy like Mikheyev could get in a trade


There's a difference with voicing your opinion (what I'm doing) vs you trolling to get laughs.
I think Mikheyev can get similar value to a Lehkonen deal if you want my honest opinion.
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:02 p.m.
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There's a difference with voicing your opinion (what I'm doing) vs you trolling to get laughs.
I think Mikheyev can get similar value to a Lehkonen deal if you want my honest opinion.


Why would Mikheyev get a Lehkonen trade? Why not Josh Anderson type value? What does Anderson bring to the table that Mikheyev doesn't? Don't tell me he hits
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Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
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Why would Mikheyev get a Lehkonen trade? Why not Josh Anderson type value? What does Anderson bring to the table that Mikheyev doesn't? Don't tell me he hits


You still don't understand that GMs value Anderson higher, because of his pedigree of being a power forward. Once again, if I'm being brutally honest, he's worth a 1st at Max. I'm just telling you what you should expect.
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:08 p.m.
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You still don't understand that GMs value Anderson higher, because of his pedigree of being a power forward. Once again, if I'm being brutally honest, he's worth a 1st at Max. I'm just telling you what you should expect.


Mikheyev has a pretty good pedigree of having an elite defensive game. He has speed, hard on the puck, and has been producing more points and goals. Josh Anderson isn't going to get a 1st and top good prospects because of his "pedigree"
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.
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Mikheyev has a pretty good pedigree of having an elite defensive game. He has speed, hard on the puck, and has been producing more points and goals. Josh Anderson isn't going to get a 1st and top good prospects because of his "pedigree"


And that's where you're wrong buddy,
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:12 p.m.
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And that's where you're wrong buddy,


Are you going to explain why? Seriously, Josh Anderson hits and has speed. Ok. Mikheyev has speed. Sure he doesn't hit, but he is a hard forechecker with history of being elite defensively. He has that reputation of being dangerous on the PK. He also has been putting up more points than Anderson. A two way threat is worth a 1st max but a one dimensional power forward is worth a 1st ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:19 p.m.
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Mikheyev has a pretty good pedigree of having an elite defensive game. He has speed, hard on the puck, and has been producing more points and goals. Josh Anderson isn't going to get a 1st and top good prospects because of his "pedigree"


Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
And that's where you're wrong buddy,


Here's a take I dont think Mikhayev has that bad of a contract pretty good Point production this year while playing on one leg.(and waaay better than Anderson)

What I will also say is Josh Anderson definitely has value, GM's like his playstyle and for some oddreason will tend to overpay for his type player. With that being said I dont think he nets much more than a 1st if he does indeed get traded for a 1st. Also in any trade there is likely have either Some Salary retention or Cap going the other way.
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Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:20 p.m.
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Are you going to explain why? Seriously, Josh Anderson hits and has speed. Ok. Mikheyev has speed. Sure he doesn't hit, but he is a hard forechecker with history of being elite defensively. He has that reputation of being dangerous on the PK. He also has been putting up more points than Anderson. A two way threat is worth a 1st max but a one dimensional power forward is worth a 1st ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Did you not read that i just said Anderson is worth a 1st Max, but will get more.
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:22 p.m.
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Did you not read that i just said Anderson is worth a 1st Max, but will get more.


Your post gave the devils two great prospects and a first.


Tom Wilson wouldn’t even get that much and he is the best powerforward in the league
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Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:25 p.m.
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Oh boy



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Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:25 p.m.
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Did you not read that i just said Anderson is worth a 1st Max, but will get more.


Interesting...

Casey + Holtz + First = First
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Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:26 p.m.
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Oh boy





Ah yes. O'l reliable social media bio as a source
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Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:26 p.m.
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Oh boy





Canucks placed Pearson on LTIR. Hopefully they can do some heavy lifting for cap dumps or salary retention
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:27 p.m.
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Your post gave the devils two great prospects and a first.


Tom Wilson wouldn’t even get that much and he is the best powerforward in the league


My post is what will happen (with 1,75m of retention) his actual value is worth a 1st without retention. Is it so hard to understand. Also, Wilson is kinda slow .
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:27 p.m.
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Oh boy





Probably just frustrated
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:27 p.m.
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Interesting...

Casey + Holtz + First = First


There's a difference of what he will fetch and what his actual value is.
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:29 p.m.
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
There's a difference of what he will fetch and what his actual value is.


There is a pretty significant difference between the two different values you proposed....
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Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:29 p.m.
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My post is what will happen (with 1,75m of retention) his actual value is worth a 1st without retention. Is it so hard to understand. Also, Wilson is kinda slow .


He is an average skater.
Feb. 17, 2023 at 4:29 p.m.
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My post is what will happen (with 1,75m of retention) his actual value is worth a 1st without retention. Is it so hard to understand. Also, Wilson is kinda slow .


You're right. 1st round pick for every km/h he skates
 
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