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Marner Must Go

Created by: Sean4417
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 10, 2023
Published: Feb. 10, 2023
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TOR
  1. Acciari, Noel
  2. Barbashev, Ivan ($1,125,000 retained)
STL
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Hirvonen, Roni
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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23$82,500,000$81,670,746$212,500$0$829,254
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,625,000$2,625,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$1,125,000$1,125,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$827,500$827,500
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$840,630$840,630
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.
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Horrible, HORRIBLE trade for the Leafs
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:05 p.m.
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Don’t worry, he probably will. Just not like that.

Also, toronto fans have to figure out that konecny will be ridiculously expensive.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.
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Oh yes, just what the Leafs (or any NHL wants), Miller and his 8m X 8 contract starting next season.
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.
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Detroit wouldn't hate having him, at a reasonable cost considering cap hit.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:07 p.m.
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Quoting: DefenseFirst
Don’t worry, he probably will. Just not like that.

Also, toronto fans have to figure out that konecny will be ridiculously expensive.


Just to add, there isn't a practical way to fit him into the cap next year, never mind paying a lot to acquire him in a trade.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:08 p.m.
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Marner isn't getting traded.

And the Leafs are in no position to be adding Millers 7 x $8,000,000 to their roster.
Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:11 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Marner isn't getting traded.

And the Leafs are in no position to be adding Millers 7 x $8,000,000 to their roster.


Wouldnt that be the point of the Trade?
Or is TML paying Marners salary in the deal for VAN?
Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:14 p.m.
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Wouldnt that be the point of the Trade?
Or is TML paying Marners salary in the deal for VAN?


Marner is country miles better than Miller.
Makes absolutely no sense to pay a guy who's going to be 30 years old this year. $8,000,000 over the next 7 years.
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:14 p.m.
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Oh jeez. Not the trade Marner bandwagon again...
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Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:17 p.m.
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This TDL Accari is the 4th best producing Center with over 50% win rate not named Horvat or Toews.
He's easily going to get either a later 1st or a 2nd and a decent prospect as he's a hard hitting checking Center who can win faceoffs and produce points .


Barbashev is a target for a lot of teams
Yet TML literally gave up middling prospects to be nice about it and middling picks

How about Marner for a top 10 OA pick at the draft?
Its about as plausable and realistic while still adding more value then that STL trade , its brutal as it completly ignores the market.
Its one of those post "i like my team , its all that matters and any team i want something from will just give it to me just like in the NHL"
Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:18 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Marner is country miles better than Miller.
Makes absolutely no sense to pay a guy who's going to be 30 years old this year. $8,000,000 over the next 7 years.


Never said he wasnt
You made an oblivious statement
I pointed out it was oblivious

Nothing more , Nothing less
Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:24 p.m.
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blues accept
Feb. 10, 2023 at 10:44 p.m.
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Troll trades
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Feb. 11, 2023 at 12:00 a.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
This TDL Accari is the 4th best producing Center with over 50% win rate not named Horvat or Toews.
He's easily going to get either a later 1st or a 2nd and a decent prospect as he's a hard hitting checking Center who can win faceoffs and produce points .


Barbashev is a target for a lot of teams
Yet TML literally gave up middling prospects to be nice about it and middling picks

How about Marner for a top 10 OA pick at the draft?
Its about as plausable and realistic while still adding more value then that STL trade , its brutal as it completly ignores the market.
Its one of those post "i like my team , its all that matters and any team i want something from will just give it to me just like in the NHL"


Acciari at the very top end will receive a 2nd+. And that’s generous. I’d rather them hang on to him. But if someone is willing to offer a 2nd even maybe a 3rd it’s hard not to consider.

A 1st is just wildly optimist for him.
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Feb. 11, 2023 at 12:09 a.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
This TDL Accari is the 4th best producing Center with over 50% win rate not named Horvat or Toews.
He's easily going to get either a later 1st or a 2nd and a decent prospect as he's a hard hitting checking Center who can win faceoffs and produce points .


Barbashev is a target for a lot of teams
Yet TML literally gave up middling prospects to be nice about it and middling picks

How about Marner for a top 10 OA pick at the draft?
Its about as plausable and realistic while still adding more value then that STL trade , its brutal as it completly ignores the market.
Its one of those post "i like my team , its all that matters and any team i want something from will just give it to me just like in the NHL"


Acciari for a first is a wild statement. Wish I could sell you something.
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Feb. 11, 2023 at 12:12 a.m.
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Post #16 and not a single reply/rebuttal/arguement from the OP...
clickbait-troll
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Feb. 11, 2023 at 6:45 a.m.
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Quoting: McGruff
Post #16 and not a single reply/rebuttal/arguement from the OP...
clickbait-troll


They woke up and chose chaos. They have just been sitting staring at their screen for the last 9 hours giggling at everyone having civilized conversation over their not serious post. Bunch of sheep. hahahahahaha
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Feb. 11, 2023 at 7:05 a.m.
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There is no chance the Leafs do that trade. Marner is way too good for that type of return!
Feb. 11, 2023 at 7:05 a.m.
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Highly doubt TK is going anywhere unless you absolutely make a offer that can't be refused
Feb. 11, 2023 at 4:48 p.m.
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Acciari for a first is a wild statement. Wish I could sell you something.


Its only because of all the Center's available , and there's a lot
There's really only 5 with a positive Win rate over 50%

No one can tell me Eric Staal as slow and beat up as he was before washing out of the league for a year was worth a 3rd and a 5th round pick , but he got it and his 50% win rate which come playoffs helped proprel their 4th line with Perry and Armia to the most producive line behind Toffoli-Suzuki-Caufield .

Tomas Plekanec in his worst season to that point also before washing out of the league the next year got a 2nd round pick and two prospects MTL flipped for Kulak.
Martin Hanzl got a 1st ,2nd and 4th round pick i believe it was from MIN and there was plenty of teams willing to pay almost as much.

All these players share something in common despite being acquired in different years outside the fact they were all struggling and washed out of the league not to long after.
What they share in common is that year there were little to no Center options and a ton of teams in the playoff hunt buying just like this year.

I'm not saying last year or next year Accari could get that.
Just like the odds of Brandon Hagel getting the return he got last year would have happened the year before that or this year.
Circumstances define value in a Capitalist based Supply vs Demand style Trade Deadline.

Accari's not only one of the better faceoff guys available he's got the most hits and a strong checking style playing on good teams over the years providing valuable depth.
Its also why injured or not Oreilly and Monahan will get people willing to pay for them as the alternative is just acquiring another body to lose faceoffs rather then give those minutes to an internal option. Atleast in acquiring those guys injured or not the have someone to work with their younger Center's trying to get a positive win rate .

That said i get what you're saying and outside this year i'd generally agree with you
Feb. 11, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.
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Its only because of all the Center's available , and there's a lot
There's really only 5 with a positive Win rate over 50%

No one can tell me Eric Staal as slow and beat up as he was before washing out of the league for a year was worth a 3rd and a 5th round pick , but he got it and his 50% win rate which come playoffs helped proprel their 4th line with Perry and Armia to the most producive line behind Toffoli-Suzuki-Caufield .

Tomas Plekanec in his worst season to that point also before washing out of the league the next year got a 2nd round pick and two prospects MTL flipped for Kulak.
Martin Hanzl got a 1st ,2nd and 4th round pick i believe it was from MIN and there was plenty of teams willing to pay almost as much.

All these players share something in common despite being acquired in different years outside the fact they were all struggling and washed out of the league not to long after.
What they share in common is that year there were little to no Center options and a ton of teams in the playoff hunt buying just like this year.

I'm not saying last year or next year Accari could get that.
Just like the odds of Brandon Hagel getting the return he got last year would have happened the year before that or this year.
Circumstances define value in a Capitalist based Supply vs Demand style Trade Deadline.

Accari's not only one of the better faceoff guys available he's got the most hits and a strong checking style playing on good teams over the years providing valuable depth.
Its also why injured or not Oreilly and Monahan will get people willing to pay for them as the alternative is just acquiring another body to lose faceoffs rather then give those minutes to an internal option. Atleast in acquiring those guys injured or not the have someone to work with their younger Center's trying to get a positive win rate .

That said i get what you're saying and outside this year i'd generally agree with you


Sorry not reading all that. Faceoff % isn’t worth a first in any year tho.
Feb. 12, 2023 at 10:49 a.m.
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Quoting: McGruff
Post #16 and not a single reply/rebuttal/arguement from the OP...
clickbait-troll


Yep, its too bad some us have actual jobs and a life and arent on this site all day pretending to be an 'expert'.
Feb. 12, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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Sorry not reading all that. Faceoff % isn’t worth a first in any year tho.


I literally just cited real life example
Your response was :
*sticks fingers in ears * lalalalalalalala not listening lalalalalaa

I get they should not be overpaid
But the tighter the cap gets the more it matters.
The more it matters , the more guys like Brendan Hagel get more then Horvat or Taresenko
Something i know for a fact not a single person on this site would have suggested possible before it happened
Feb. 12, 2023 at 3:07 p.m.
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I literally just cited real life example
Your response was :
*sticks fingers in ears * lalalalalalalala not listening lalalalalaa

I get they should not be overpaid
But the tighter the cap gets the more it matters.
The more it matters , the more guys like Brendan Hagel get more then Horvat or Taresenko
Something i know for a fact not a single person on this site would have suggested possible before it happened


Glad I could give you a laugh smile it was really that I got the premise of your response and wasn’t feeling reading that much.

I get your point conceptually but there’s more context to Hagel versus Tara/Bo returns. Like team control and cost structures. More important than faceoff % which is the crux of your position. Not unimportant but not a key factor.
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Feb. 12, 2023 at 3:18 p.m.
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Quoting: vikhodush
Glad I could give you a laugh smile it was really that I got the premise of your response and wasn’t feeling reading that much.

I get your point conceptually but there’s more context to Hagel versus Tara/Bo returns. Like team control and cost structures. More important than faceoff % which is the crux of your position. Not unimportant but not a key factor.


Never said there wasnt,it was kind of the entire premise of my comment
I stated the context specifically change's the value of a 1st round pick and a player at the TDL
That on paper according to 9999/10000 on this site would argue regardless of context Hagel isnt worth that. (and i'd agree but doesnt mean he wont get it)
Just like you'd argue Accari at his cap with his production , high hitting rate , good defensive stats and good faceoff win rate still isnt worth a 1st like 9999/10000 on here would.

Reality is he and Domi because of their low cap after salary Retention will get overpaid.
Like them many other Center's with higher cap and good faceoffs numbers will be overpaid like Plekanec , Staal , ext
 
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