Desharnais is scary bad these playoffs. Like Holl in Toronto. It seems they are always the ones making mistakes leading to goals.

Detroit have four left wingers that scored better than Foegele did this season. We're not interested.

What’s with people criminally underrating Ceci…..

Find out what a top 4 RHD goes for, good grief, the Oilers gave up Taylor Hall for one, you’d think that would be a clue.

I’m sorry, Yamamoto isn’t going anywhere, not at 3M per season, not unless the Oilers eat 1M at minimum.

Wings pass, as he is not better than what is on the lineup now.

No

Zero chance of Warren Foegele returning the 43rd overall pick in an extremely deep draft. You'd have to pay us to take him off your hands. Not the other way around.

Big difference being Desharnais has 43 games in the NHL, 7 of them being playoff games. But the Oilers not unlike the Maple Leafs will sometimes leave the defensive zone early, or only back check to the blue line not really supporting their defenceman and good quick to pressure, forechecking, rush with numbers teams like Vegas and Florida love that

The only team less interested in RD than Columbus is LA. Also, why are you even trying to trade Ceci? He is not your problem.

Ceci will soon be added to the long list of traded for pennies, won't sign, and not resigned D partners of Darnell Nurse.

Yup I agree. And that's also why I picked both FLA and VGK to win their series's.

I don't agree with you on Yamamoto. Young, plays top-6, scored 20 last year. That's not a cap dump.

Foegele v Hagel

The smart people disagree with you. Foegele has MUCH more value than pick #43.

Warren Foegele is among the best in the league at generating scoring chances.

[A little context for my stats. I took full season 5v5 stats and applied two filters: forwards only and minimun TOI of 495 minutes. That leaves us with the top 385 players by minutes played. Why 385? Because there are 32 teams and each with 12 regular forwards. 32 x 12 = 384, so pretty close. This way we can divide results by "1st line" (top 96 players), "2nd line" (97-192), etc. All stats are expressed as "per 60 minutes" to equalize for TOI differences.]

So here's how Foegele stacks up:

G/60: 0.93 (84th, tied with Panarin) 1st line rate
P/60: 2.09 (85th, tied with Tavares) 1st line rate
S/60: 9.36 (50th, tied with Cozens) 1st line rate
xG/60: 1.16 (9th, tied with Tavares) elite 1st line rate
SCF/60: 10.90 (23rd) elite 1st line rate
HDCF/60: 6.19 (8th), elite 1st line rate
Tka/60: 3.63 (3rd), elite 1st line rate
Hits/60: 7.11 (108th tied with Kreider) high 2nd line rate

Now consider that he spent just 8% of his TOI with McDavid this year. Foegele is a value contract.

Severson is superior to Ceci offensively. I'm not convinced he's better defensively. Isn't that what the Oilers would be looking for?

And yet despite all those pretty stats he finished with 28 points in 67 games. It really sucks when you can't change reality, huh?

That's totally understandable, as he doesn't get PP time in Edmonton. He scored 27 points at 5v5 in 67 games, a rate of 0.403 P/GP. Detroit's best forward, Dylan Larkin, scored 32 points at 5v5 in 80 games, a rate of 0.400 P/GP. Are you saying Larkin is a cap dump? He's gets paid more than twice as much as Foegele does yet produces less.

Oh, and Larkin only had 9 goals, Foegele 12. Reality sucks, huh?

It sad watching you try to shut down conversations with these silly numbers. Am I supposed to be intimidated? All your bullsh*t really says is Foegele is a good third liner who struggles to maintain his production against stiffer competition. He's playing behind 2 of the best lines in the world. I never said he was a cap dump but I definitely wouldn't give up anything significant for him.

All the facts show is that he's out-producing Dylan Larkin, along with every other member of the Red Wings. That's why the Oilers are a Cup contender and the Wings only dream of relevance.

You can be in denial all you like.

Lmao, this is a perfect example of how stupid an argument can be while still being supported by advanced stats. The fact is Larkin had 79 points playing against the best players in the world. Foegele had 28 points against third and fourth lines. The fact that you don't understand that is proof you shouldn't be using these stats to convince anybody of anything.

Goals and points are advanced stats now? Talk about stupid arguments...

Oilers are not going to eat salary or add significant assets, because his contract can be bought out for a cap hit of $433,333 next year and $533,333 the following. Its the only contract the have with a very friendly buyout amount.

If you use Dom Luszczyszyn’s GSVA model, Severson is superior defensively to Ceci. Equivalent to Ekholm based on the model (who has the highest defensive rating on the Oilers). Based on that model, Ceci comes in last, behind both Kulak and Broberg.

https://theathletic.com/3989427/2023/01/30/nhl-player-cards-new-jersey-devils-2/

Agree, and any team who focuses on Analytics will be interested. If Oil keeps him, I would suspect he is on the second line next year.

Would like to keep him, but if we want 2 solid RD to replace Ceci and Deshnarais, someone has to go.

Based on the LA series and the Vegas game, spending assets on better D seems the way to go, especially in the playoffs.

Based on Puckiq data, against elite (first line competition), Foegele has a GF% of 58.3% which is 6th on the Oilers.

Larkin is 42.9% against elite comp. Perron is the highest Wing at 55.6%.

So Foegele is not struggling against stiff competition in any way. He just doesn’t get PP time, or enough time in general given our top 6. But the data supports that he should be on the second line over Yamamoto.

I don't use Dom's model. It has several issues, the key one (for defensemen) being it doesn't adequately account for QoC. Playing opponents 1st line every night is very different from playing opponents 3rd and 4th lines. Ceci faces opponents top lines every night, Severson doesn't. Ergo, you can't directly compare defensive metrics.