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Canuckle Puck

Created by: Dr_Invictus
Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: May 15, 2023
Published: May 15, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Accurate/Prorated
LTIR Enabled: Yes
Season Days: 185
Days Remaining: 185
Season Remaining: 100%
Projected Cap Hit Prior To Days Remaining Tooltip : $83,500,000
Description
Taking a swing at the Canuck's Cap mess. I'm assuming that Pearson and Poolman will be on LTIR, if not, buyouts.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$800,000
2$775,000
2$775,000
2$775,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
3$925,000
2$2,200,000
2$800,000
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Plugs a hole at RD for Buffalo for a year.
2.
VAN
  1. Peeke, Andrew
  2. Roslovic, Jack
  3. 2023 1st round pick (LAK)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (CBJ)
3.
VAN
  1. Keller, Clayton
  2. Schmaltz, Nick
Additional Details:
Schmaltz and Keller are a package deal right? I'm assuming Arizona is just going to continue the 20 year trend of selling, never trying to win, and just waiting for the hockey gods to relocate them to Houston. that aside, I doubt they would say no to this deal.
ARI
  1. Boeser, Brock
  2. Höglander, Nils
  3. Lockhart, Connor
  4. Räty, Aatu
  5. 2023 1st round pick (LAK)
  6. 2025 1st round pick (VAN)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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Logo of the TOR
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the DET
Logo of the NYR
Logo of the VAN
2024
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the CBJ
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
2025
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
Logo of the VAN
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$73,437,500$850,000$0$10,062,500
Prorated Cap Hit

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,150,000$4,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$5,850,000$5,850,000
RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$7,150,000$7,150,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$775,000$775,000
LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$762,500$762,500
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$762,500$762,500
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$850,000$850,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$2,200,000$2,200,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$762,500$762,500
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
UFA - 1

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May 15, 2023 at 6:52 p.m.
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Big noop on Miller. He's gonna be a Canuck until 2030.
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May 15, 2023 at 6:53 p.m.
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Pick should be going the other way for taking his cap hit.
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May 15, 2023 at 6:53 p.m.
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Absolute not from CBJ, they’re looking for a stop-gap for their soon to be franchise center, not a lucrative contract extension for Miller into his late 30’s…
May 15, 2023 at 6:53 p.m.
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Myers is not likely the guy Buffalo wants. If they are taking him off your hands, you are paying them for it not the other way around.
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May 15, 2023 at 6:54 p.m.
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it actually doesnt plug a hole since myers would be the Sabres 6th best RHD, and Im not even sure the Sabres have 6 righty d-men in the entire organization lol
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May 15, 2023 at 6:58 p.m.
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Pick should be going the other way for taking his cap hit.


Its 1 year of 6MM AAV for an RD top 4 defenseman. Hardly a gamble for Buffalo.
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May 15, 2023 at 7:00 p.m.
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"Plugs a hole at RD for Buffalo for a year..." in a way that's a bit uncomfortable for everyone.
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May 15, 2023 at 7:04 p.m.
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Its 1 year of 6MM AAV for an RD top 4 defenseman. Hardly a gamble for Buffalo.


What does it not being a gamble matter, it's still 6m for a Defenseman Buffalo already knows about.
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May 15, 2023 at 7:05 p.m.
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I don't think CBJ would be that interested in Miller given his age and contract, but disregarding that, he JUST signed a long term extension. No way Vancouver moves him before the contract even starts.
May 15, 2023 at 7:12 p.m.
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Arizona laughs and hangs up. Nice try though
May 15, 2023 at 7:15 p.m.
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Its 1 year of 6MM AAV for an RD top 4 defenseman. Hardly a gamble for Buffalo.


Hardly a gamble the guy has been not good for a few years and is not suited to be anymore than a 6th or 7th dman at this point. Sabres would be better off just keeping Jokiharju in that role if they see this as the best option outside the organization that 6 million cap number would allow
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May 15, 2023 at 7:38 p.m.
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NO way arizona takes that
May 15, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Dr_Invictus
Its 1 year of 6MM AAV for an RD top 4 defenseman. Hardly a gamble for Buffalo.


Myers is a top 4 “quality” RD? Or did you omit quality to help your cause. And last time 6M in cap was dumped, Tor had to pay 13 OA in the 2020 draft to get rid of Marleau. Myers might not be that bad, but he’s not good.
May 15, 2023 at 8:18 p.m.
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"Plugs a hole at RD for Buffalo for a year..." in a way that's a bit uncomfortable for everyone.


Thank you... I was waiting for someone to pick up on that inuendo
May 15, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.
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I don't think CBJ would be that interested in Miller given his age and contract, but disregarding that, he JUST signed a long term extension. No way Vancouver moves him before the contract even starts.


It's their only option: His NMC kicks in July 1st
May 15, 2023 at 8:23 p.m.
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Arizona laughs and hangs up. Nice try though


It's not like they can afford to pay their Star player once they clear their ELC's, so as far as I can tell they just sell them once developed for futures.
May 15, 2023 at 8:40 p.m.
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It's their only option: His NMC kicks in July 1st


But the point is you

A) don't sign that contract if you don't want him long term
B) Trade a player you just signed to a huge extention. That's gonna make players not want to sign with you

There's just no chance Miller is moved at this point.
May 15, 2023 at 9:14 p.m.
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It's not like they can afford to pay their Star player once they clear their ELC's, so as far as I can tell they just sell them once developed for futures.

Sure thing bud. I too read broad Canadian generalities about a team I don’t understand. Enjoy that boat anchor labeled OEL
May 15, 2023 at 10:50 p.m.
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Sure thing bud. I too read broad Canadian generalities about a team I don’t understand. Enjoy that boat anchor labeled OEL


A) I'm not a Canucks fan
B) The Coyotes have consistently had negative operating income since their inception. 2021 was the first year they turned a positive 5MM operating income
C) The majority of their contracts are on LTIR and insured so that they can dodge the cap floor, and keep their costs down. They have over 21MM in dead contracts, which no other team would do our of sheer scrutiny from their fanbase.
4) they have so many prospects and picks in the system that they are in danger of not being able to sign the ones that turn out. You can only have 50 contracts at any time, so they will either be flipping rights to players or letting them walk.
5) Even if you are selling out Mullett Arena, that's still only a fraction of any other arena. The lowest cost is to run kids on ELC contracts and a few vets not suitable for LTIR and reach the floor by taking another did contract.
May 15, 2023 at 11:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Trevor31lv
But the point is you

A) don't sign that contract if you don't want him long term
B) Trade a player you just signed to a huge extention. That's gonna make players not want to sign with you

There's just no chance Miller is moved at this point.


I would tend to agree, unless he wants out (in which case the NMC doesn't matter). It was short sighted of them to sign Miller and not Horvat
May 16, 2023 at 12:07 a.m.
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A) I'm not a Canucks fan
B) The Coyotes have consistently had negative operating income since their inception. 2021 was the first year they turned a positive 5MM operating income
C) The majority of their contracts are on LTIR and insured so that they can dodge the cap floor, and keep their costs down. They have over 21MM in dead contracts, which no other team would do our of sheer scrutiny from their fanbase.
4) they have so many prospects and picks in the system that they are in danger of not being able to sign the ones that turn out. You can only have 50 contracts at any time, so they will either be flipping rights to players or letting them walk.
5) Even if you are selling out Mullett Arena, that's still only a fraction of any other arena. The lowest cost is to run kids on ELC contracts and a few vets not suitable for LTIR and reach the floor by taking another did contract.


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A) I'm not a Canucks fan
B) The Coyotes have consistently had negative operating income since their inception. 2021 was the first year they turned a positive 5MM operating income
C) The majority of their contracts are on LTIR and insured so that they can dodge the cap floor, and keep their costs down. They have over 21MM in dead contracts, which no other team would do our of sheer scrutiny from their fanbase.
4) they have so many prospects and picks in the system that they are in danger of not being able to sign the ones that turn out. You can only have 50 contracts at any time, so they will either be flipping rights to players or letting them walk.
5) Even if you are selling out Mullett Arena, that's still only a fraction of any other arena. The lowest cost is to run kids on ELC contracts and a few vets not suitable for LTIR and reach the floor by taking another did contract.


A) Don’t really care, flames fan? You’re fed the same nonsense.
B) You’ve had a good look at the books have you?
C) Who cares how they’re making the cap floor? Would you rather be paying looch $5.25m or have Little’s $5.29m on LTIR, fill that role for $1m, and find another player for $4.25m? If you tell me Looch you’re a complete liar. Arizona is filling effective roles for cheap.
4) How does trading Keller and Schmaltz help the contract logjam? You added 4 contracts with this trade, and it isn’t even remotely close to value.
5) if you sell 5000 tickets at $110 a piece (check mullett prices, they’re going for far more than that), you’re making the same gate revenue as 11,000 at $50, which is what they were getting in Glendale.
6) You said Arizona is always selling and never trying to win, care to name a few players they’ve sold that weren’t at the right time? I also recall them trading 7 OA in 2017, trading a haul for kessel, and spending to the cap while going no where.
May 16, 2023 at 3:37 a.m.
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A) Don’t really care, flames fan? You’re fed the same nonsense.
B) You’ve had a good look at the books have you?
C) Who cares how they’re making the cap floor? Would you rather be paying looch $5.25m or have Little’s $5.29m on LTIR, fill that role for $1m, and find another player for $4.25m? If you tell me Looch you’re a complete liar. Arizona is filling effective roles for cheap.
4) How does trading Keller and Schmaltz help the contract logjam? You added 4 contracts with this trade, and it isn’t even remotely close to value.
5) if you sell 5000 tickets at $110 a piece (check mullett prices, they’re going for far more than that), you’re making the same gate revenue as 11,000 at $50, which is what they were getting in Glendale.
6) You said Arizona is always selling and never trying to win, care to name a few players they’ve sold that weren’t at the right time? I also recall them trading 7 OA in 2017, trading a haul for kessel, and spending to the cap while going no where.





A) same nonsense...as in economics?
B) Revenues, net operating income and valuations are published by Forbes every year. It's well known that the franchise is heavily subsidized and never earned a profit.
C)The whole point of a cap system is to provide a measure of equity. Large teams cannot spend their way to the cup, and smaller teams need to justify their existence by being able spend enough on players to compete in the best league in the world. The message here is that you can you can circumvent LTIR to spend under the cap floor, and Tampa can do it to win a cup. Both are a degradation of the system. The only difference is that one is a 27 year old pet project by Bettman.
D)You're absolutely right here: it doesn't. It just speeds up the process. However, Schmaltz's contract is back loaded and Arizona is the poorest team in the league. Their is no reason to believe they won't just continue the process of dumping players once the mature and taking on insured LTIR contracts to reach the floor.
E) 5000 whole tickets? Having 1000 fans in Glendale isn't a success, nor is selling out a college arena. Boxes make money, merchandise makes money, and tv revenue makes money. They don't have enough of any of this to support a franchise.
F) scroll down the massive list of trades on cap friendly. What percentage do you think they are a buyer? Twice in 15 years? They are perpetually in a rebuild because the economics of the dessert aren't working. Even if Tuesdays vote is successful and the city allows it to be built, and the financing goes through, they still have 4 more years of a tiny arena before they get a 16,000 person arena. Baffling, that this continues when any number of cities could host the coyotes and change the franchise in a year.
 
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