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So you want Hart do you

Created by: DirtyDangles
Team: 2023-24 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: May 29, 2023
Published: May 29, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Some trades with teams that I have seen acquiring Hart on here. This is what it would take (MUST be an overpay)
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,750,000
2$2,250,000
2$1,750,000
2$900,000
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. Levi, Devon
  2. 2023 1st round pick (BUF)
BUF
    Hart
    2.
    PHI
    1. Kidney, Riley
    2. Mailloux, Logan
    3. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
    Additional Details:
    Top 5 protected
    MTL
      Hart
      3.
      PHI
      1. Thomson, Lassi
      2. 2024 1st round pick (OTT)
      3. 2025 2nd round pick (OTT)
      Additional Details:
      2025 2nd becomes a 1st if OTT makes the playoffs in either 23/24 or 24/25
      OTT
        Hart
        4.
        PHI
        1. Roslovic, Jack
        2. 2023 2nd round pick (CBJ)
        CBJ
        1. Hayes, Kevin ($2,142,857 retained)
        5.
        PHI
        1. 2024 3rd round pick (ANA)
        Additional Details:
        Any Team
        ANA
        1. Deangelo, Anthony ($2,500,000 retained)
        6.
        PHI
        1. Zadina, Filip
        2. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
        3. 2023 2nd round pick (DET)
        Buyouts
        Retained Salary Transactions
        DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
        2023
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        Logo of the FLA
        Logo of the NYR
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the EDM
        Logo of the PHI
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        Logo of the OTT
        Logo of the PHI
        2024
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the FLA
        Logo of the MTL
        Logo of the OTT
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the ANA
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the LAK
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the PHI
        2025
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the OTT
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the PHI
        Logo of the PHI
        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
        23$83,500,000$67,446,024$1,187,500$70,000$16,053,976
        Left WingCentreRight Wing
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $5,000,000$5,000,000
        LW, RW
        UFA - 5
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $7,750,000$7,750,000
        C
        NMC
        UFA - 7
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $1,500,000$1,500,000
        RW, LW
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $5,875,000$5,875,000
        RW, LW
        M-NTC
        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $2,250,000$2,250,000
        C
        RFA - 2
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $863,333$863,333
        RW
        RFA - 2
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $3,000,000$3,000,000
        C, LW
        UFA - 3
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $1,750,000$1,750,000
        C, LW
        RFA - 2
        Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
        $1,100,000$1,100,000
        RW, LW
        RFA - 1
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $1,750,000$1,750,000
        LW, RW
        M-NTC
        UFA - 3
        Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
        $2,000,000$2,000,000
        C, RW
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $785,000$785,000
        RW
        RFA - 1
        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $4,725,000$4,725,000
        LD
        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $2,750,000$2,750,000
        LD/RD
        RFA - 2
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $859,167$859,167 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
        G
        RFA - 1
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $6,250,000$6,250,000
        LD/RD
        NTC
        UFA - 8
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $900,000$900,000
        RD
        RFA - 2
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $775,000$775,000
        G
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $775,000$775,000
        LD/RD
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $5,100,000$5,100,000
        RD
        UFA - 4
        ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $762,500$762,500
        RW, C
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $6,250,000$6,250,000
        RD
        UFA - 4
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $775,000$775,000
        LD/RD
        RFA - 1
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $825,000$825,000 (Performance Bonus$37,500$38K)
        C, LW
        RFA - 2
        Taxi Squad
        Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
        $3,979,000$3,979,000 ($2,829,000$3M$2,829,000$3M)
        G
        RFA - 1

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        May 29, 2023 at 2:35 p.m.
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        Easy no from the sabres
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:39 p.m.
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        Quoting: wojme
        Easy no from the sabres


        As expected but people seem to think they can get Hart for a pile of meh. Not happening!
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:42 p.m.
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        Quoting: DirtyDangles
        As expected but people seem to think they can get Hart for a pile of meh. Not happening!


        Sabres fans were not the one proposing this. The issue with the proposal is that the Sabres would look to add Heart as a bridge to Levi so they wouldn't include him on the trade.
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.
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        Quoting: Greysuits
        Sabres fans were not the one proposing this. The issue with the proposal is that the Sabres would look to add Heart as a bridge to Levi so they wouldn't include him on the trade.


        There would be no Hart without Levi coming back, just wouldn't happen.
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.
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        Quoting: DirtyDangles
        There would be no Hart without Levi coming back, just wouldn't happen.


        That's fine, but a Sabres fan was not proposing this, most Sabres fans are looking at Helly not Heart.
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:44 p.m.
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        Quoting: Greysuits
        That's fine, but a Sabres fan was not proposing this, most Sabres fans are looking at Helly not Heart.


        I have seen several Sabres fans trading for Hart.
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:48 p.m.
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        I couldn't say no fast enough
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:50 p.m.
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        Habs have a bigger need at RD than at G.

        Monty is looking good and habs are not in their compete window - I don't think they would be willing to spend as much asset for Hart.
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.
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        Quoting: MTLaveragefan
        Habs have a bigger need at RD than at G.

        Monty is looking good and habs are not in their compete window - I don't think they would be willing to spend as much asset for Hart.


        Perfect, because the Flyers aren't shopping Hart and nobody is getting him for cheap.
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:53 p.m.
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        Why does Ottawa need to pay more than Montreal ?
        May 29, 2023 at 2:55 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        Why does Ottawa need to pay more than Montreal ?


        It's basically the same package lol. OTT is a little farther ahead of MTL in the rebuild therefore your picks are likely to be much worse.
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:56 p.m.
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        the value in the ottawa trade is much less than the other deals, easy yes from them
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:58 p.m.
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        An interesting comparison for MTL fans:

        Hart 6'2" Age 24
        - Career 201 GP, -13.86 GSAx per evolving hockey.
        - Last season 55 GP, 12.93 GSAx.

        Montembault 6'3" Age 26
        - Career 103 GP, -10.54 GSAx per evolving hockey.
        - Last season 40 GP, 16.78 GSAx.

        Monty is a late bloomer but it's probably worth seeing what he can do next year as a starter with Allen as the backup before pursuing a goaltender.
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        May 29, 2023 at 2:58 p.m.
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        Quoting: MarcBergevin69
        the value in the ottawa trade is much less than the other deals, easy yes from them


        I still expect OTT to miss the playoffs next year so it would be likely a top 15 pick plus then make playoffs the next year but not do much so another top 20ish pick. It's a decent return
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        May 29, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.
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        Quoting: DirtyDangles
        It's basically the same package lol. OTT is a little farther ahead of MTL in the rebuild therefore your picks are likely to be much worse.


        Quoting: MarcBergevin69
        the value in the ottawa trade is much less than the other deals, easy yes from them


        Let's step back and look at the two packages for a second.


        Lassi Thomson
        Unconditional 2024 1st with no lottery protection
        2025 2nd that becomes a 2025 1st if Ottawa makes the playoffs in either 2024 or 2025 (likely)


        vs


        Logan Mailloux
        Conditional 2024 1st with Top 5 protection
        Riley Kidney



        Ottawa's paying more.
        May 29, 2023 at 3:12 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        Let's step back and look at the two packages for a second.


        Lassi Thomson
        Unconditional 2024 1st with no lottery protection
        2025 2nd that becomes a 2025 1st if Ottawa makes the playoffs in either 2024 or 2025 (likely)


        vs


        Logan Mailloux
        Conditional 2024 1st with Top 5 protection
        Riley Kidney



        Ottawa's paying more.


        We can top 5 protect that 1st. I wouldn't call OTT making the playoffs "likely". There are still a lot of teams in a much better spot than OTT in the East.
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        May 29, 2023 at 4:54 p.m.
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        I hate the MTL trade. Flyers have had enough bad press the last few years. I don’t want Mailloux on my hockey team. Kid doesn’t deserve to be in the league. I would accept either Buffalo or OTT’s offer. Buffalo probably won’t offer it even tho I agree with you any Hart Buffalo trade has to include Levi. I think OTT is the best trade partner for Hart and I would probably do that trade in my future ACGM teams. Most of the local reporters have also been saying the same about OTT. Other trades you made for our other players are fine lol
        May 29, 2023 at 5:16 p.m.
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        Quoting: Samsoc222
        I hate the MTL trade. Flyers have had enough bad press the last few years. I don’t want Mailloux on my hockey team. Kid doesn’t deserve to be in the league. I would accept either Buffalo or OTT’s offer. Buffalo probably won’t offer it even tho I agree with you any Hart Buffalo trade has to include Levi. I think OTT is the best trade partner for Hart and I would probably do that trade in my future ACGM teams. Most of the local reporters have also been saying the same about OTT. Other trades you made for our other players are fine lol


        Don’t worry, we won’t be trading Hart no matter what all these “people” say
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        May 29, 2023 at 5:33 p.m.
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        Quoting: DirtyDangles
        Don’t worry, we won’t be trading Hart no matter what all these “people” say


        I’m against trading him in an off-season. If we have to trade him at a deadline when a ransom could be offered then fine. I also don’t think he goes anywhere except OTT. I think they are the only team that makes sense
        May 29, 2023 at 7:49 p.m.
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        OTT declines, not overpaying for G who does not have better numbers than what Forsberg has
        May 29, 2023 at 7:56 p.m.
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        Quoting: athrin
        OTT declines, not overpaying for G who does not have better numbers than what Forsberg has


        i love these arguments 😂
        May 29, 2023 at 10:01 p.m.
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        OTT does it without the condition. You think Ottawa misses the playoffs next year, so it's a Top 16 pick, a 2nd and a 22 year old NHL ready RHD prospect.

        How about Brian Boucher's son instead of the conditional pick? Worth more than a late 2nd but not as much as a mid to late 1st at this point.
         
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