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Airport Team Day 3

Created by: JhonnyCanuck5
Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 5, 2023
Published: Jun. 5, 2023
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Alright, come tell me how dumb I am…

Trade Chiarot and/or Petry (with retention if needed) in the 2024 offseason to clear up space for extensions. Perron and Kubalik also come off the books.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$850,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
3$1,350,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,500,000
2$5,500,000
Trades
1.
DET
  1. Petry, Jeff
  2. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Cap dump and a 1st
for
2 2nds and a prospect.
PIT
  1. Sebrango, Donovan
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (STL)
  4. 2024 4th round pick (DAL)
2.
ARI
  1. Fabbri, Robby
  2. Hanas, Cross
  3. 2023 1st round pick (DET)
  4. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
9OA, 14OA, a middle 6 forward, and a prospect

Coyotes pick between Hanas and Viro. Both are B/B+ prospects. Just a matter of wanting a forward or a D
3.
WPG
  1. Zadina, Filip
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (DET)
  4. 2024 1st round pick (DET)
Additional Details:
2 1sts, a 2nd, and Zadina for Connor
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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Logo of the BOS
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Logo of the STL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$74,826,329$0$5,340,000$8,673,671
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$7,142,857$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$7,150,000$7,150,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$5,625,000$5,625,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,460,000$1,460,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$1,000,000$1M)
C
RFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,350,000$1,350,000
C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$878,333$878,333 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
$2,500,000$2,500,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$820,000$820,000 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD
RFA - 1

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Jun. 5, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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Think we should either target Keller or Connor; not both. They'd probably want quality prospects in any trade involving those guys.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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I don't consider Petry close to a cap dump, and the Pens shouldn't be using their 1st for one anyway. Absolutely not.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 1:48 p.m.
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Pens aren't doing that. Petry isn't really a cap dump, and it's not worth spending the 2023 14OA to move him...
Jun. 5, 2023 at 1:50 p.m.
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Talking about the Pit trade:
Petry probably needs a low 3rd or 4th attached to move him (due to 2 down years). Using that value and the value of the picks, you are saying Sebrango is worth roughly 33 overall? Does that sound appropriate? I don’t know much about him but based on the little looking I just did, it seems like that would be a bad trade.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
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Jets decline not close either
Jun. 5, 2023 at 1:53 p.m.
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2 1sts, a 2nd, and Zadina for Connor? Too hard to pass up for WPG. That 17th overall pick in this upcoming draft is the key.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 1:57 p.m.
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Petry isnt going to cost a 1st to move. You can add all the value you want in the return but why would they give up a good first for no reason.
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 2:05 p.m.
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Petry is a costly dump.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 2:13 p.m.
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Quoting: SKWPG


Quoting: Howie
Jets decline not close either


I’m gonna let you two discuss this one. Is it too good to pass up or is it not close?
Jun. 5, 2023 at 2:14 p.m.
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Quoting: SKWPG
2 1sts, a 2nd, and Zadina for Connor? Too hard to pass up for WPG. That 17th overall pick in this upcoming draft is the key.


Quoting: Howie
Jets decline not close either


I’m gonna let you two discuss this one. Is it too good to pass up or is it not close? Can’t be both.
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 2:15 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Think we should either target Keller or Connor; not both. They'd probably want quality prospects in any trade involving those guys.


Honestly i agree but after spending 3 days in an airport, logic can be thrown out the window lol
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
Honestly i agree but after spending 3 days in an airport, logic can be thrown out the window lol


Oh that's what the airport is referring to.
How far are you from home? Why does it keep getting delayed?
Jun. 5, 2023 at 2:21 p.m.
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The firsts are okay, but not worth moving Connor for.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 2:55 p.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
I’m gonna let you two discuss this one. Is it too good to pass up or is it not close? Can’t be both.


Nothing to discuss. Some JETS fans are too high on their players. I for one am sick of the NON 200' players on the Jets and Connor is one of them. He doesn't like the corners, doesn't like getting ugly and doesn't like coming back. That's not a player I want on the Jets. Kyle Connor and Mark Scheifele are NOT the types of players the Jets should want and to get 2 - 1sts, a 2nd, and Zadina, which includes 17th overall pick in this draft is an easy YES!
Jun. 5, 2023 at 2:59 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Oh that's what the airport is referring to.
How far are you from home? Why does it keep getting delayed?


Let’s just say speaking the language here is as easy as negotiating a trade with Habs fans
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 3:00 p.m.
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Nothing to discuss. Some JETS fans are too high on their players. I for one am sick of the NON 200' players on the Jets and Connor is one of them. He doesn't like the corners, doesn't like getting ugly and doesn't like coming back. That's not a player I want on the Jets. Kyle Connor and Mark Scheifele are NOT the types of players the Jets should want and to get 2 - 1sts, a 2nd, and Zadina, which includes 17th overall pick in this draft is an easy YES!


Windjammer and Howie, care to rebuttal?
Jun. 5, 2023 at 3:03 p.m.
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I would give up our 2024 2nd and one of Nylander or Puustinen to move Petry. In return I would want an ELC player and a 4th round pick.


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Petry isnt going to cost a 1st to move. You can add all the value you want in the return but why would they give up a good first for no reason.


Quoting: Victor24
Talking about the Pit trade:
Petry probably needs a low 3rd or 4th attached to move him (due to 2 down years). Using that value and the value of the picks, you are saying Sebrango is worth roughly 33 overall? Does that sound appropriate? I don’t know much about him but based on the little looking I just did, it seems like that would be a bad trade.


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Pens aren't doing that. Petry isn't really a cap dump, and it's not worth spending the 2023 14OA to move him...


Quoting: Haymaker26
I don't consider Petry close to a cap dump, and the Pens shouldn't be using their 1st for one anyway. Absolutely not.


Borrowed the idea from a Pens post. And yes, at 6.25M with 2 years left, Petry is 100% a cap dump. How much it would cost to dump is negotiable, but he’s a dump.
But here, Chiarot for Petry. Deal?
Jun. 5, 2023 at 3:09 p.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
Windjammer and Howie, care to rebuttal?


You just don't trade a consistent goal scorer for a bunch of maybes and a bust. Connor was a 17OA pick himself. Hoping to get lucky again and get a comparable player is poor asset management and praying that a longshot works out.

The odds of Winnipeg even breaking even on that deal are extraordinarily lopsided against the Jets. I mean it's not even Detroit's 1st this year.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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Petry is bad but not that bad.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 4:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Victor24
Talking about the Pit trade:
Petry probably needs a low 3rd or 4th attached to move him (due to 2 down years). Using that value and the value of the picks, you are saying Sebrango is worth roughly 33 overall? Does that sound appropriate? I don’t know much about him but based on the little looking I just did, it seems like that would be a bad trade.


No he is worth a 4th at most. Ceiling 5 D, most likely a John Merrill journeyman who looks good some places and out of place others.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 5:49 p.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
Borrowed the idea from a Pens post. And yes, at 6.25M with 2 years left, Petry is 100% a cap dump. How much it would cost to dump is negotiable, but he’s a dump.
But here, Chiarot for Petry. Deal?


I've said it on CF before, but here I go again. I've seen almost all of Petry's time in Pittsburgh and I think he's still a good 2nd pairing defenseman who can play the top pair when needed. Is he overpaid? Yes. But He's still good enough of a player on that deal that any assets used to get rid of him are being wasted. Something else I've said is that the only real replacement for Petry this year I would trust to play top pairing RHD is Damon Severson.

Lets do some numbers. Of D pairings with 100+ minutes this season, Petry was worst paired with Brian Dumoulin with a 49.7% xG% via moneypuck. Dumo's only better pairing was with Letang. The only two Wings pairings of 100+ minutes to have a better xG% are Walman-Seider and Hagg-Lindstrom. Now that's just one stat and it is pretty dependent on the rest of the team, but it's still pretty easy when looking at the big picture to see how pairings Chiarot and Petry were on stack up. One had some tough moments while acclimating to a new team, but had a solid season. One brought pretty much every d partner he had down. It's not an apt comparison.
Jun. 6, 2023 at 9:28 a.m.
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Who needs centers, we got wingers for days.
Jun. 6, 2023 at 9:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Victor24
Talking about the Pit trade:
Petry probably needs a low 3rd or 4th attached to move him (due to 2 down years). Using that value and the value of the picks, you are saying Sebrango is worth roughly 33 overall? Does that sound appropriate? I don’t know much about him but based on the little looking I just did, it seems like that would be a bad trade.


Back to back down years, at that age, and that contract would take more than a low 3rd or 4th to dump. There’s a reason Pens fans have been trying to trade him on here for 2 years
Jun. 6, 2023 at 9:47 a.m.
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Quoting: Haymaker26
I've said it on CF before, but here I go again. I've seen almost all of Petry's time in Pittsburgh and I think he's still a good 2nd pairing defenseman who can play the top pair when needed. Is he overpaid? Yes. But He's still good enough of a player on that deal that any assets used to get rid of him are being wasted. Something else I've said is that the only real replacement for Petry this year I would trust to play top pairing RHD is Damon Severson.

Lets do some numbers. Of D pairings with 100+ minutes this season, Petry was worst paired with Brian Dumoulin with a 49.7% xG% via moneypuck. Dumo's only better pairing was with Letang. The only two Wings pairings of 100+ minutes to have a better xG% are Walman-Seider and Hagg-Lindstrom. Now that's just one stat and it is pretty dependent on the rest of the team, but it's still pretty easy when looking at the big picture to see how pairings Chiarot and Petry were on stack up. One had some tough moments while acclimating to a new team, but had a solid season. One brought pretty much every d partner he had down. It's not an apt comparison.


Quoting: Haymaker26
I've said it on CF before, but here I go again. I've seen almost all of Petry's time in Pittsburgh and I think he's still a good 2nd pairing defenseman who can play the top pair when needed. Is he overpaid? Yes. But He's still good enough of a player on that deal that any assets used to get rid of him are being wasted. Something else I've said is that the only real replacement for Petry this year I would trust to play top pairing RHD is Damon Severson.

Lets do some numbers. Of D pairings with 100+ minutes this season, Petry was worst paired with Brian Dumoulin with a 49.7% xG% via moneypuck. Dumo's only better pairing was with Letang. The only two Wings pairings of 100+ minutes to have a better xG% are Walman-Seider and Hagg-Lindstrom. Now that's just one stat and it is pretty dependent on the rest of the team, but it's still pretty easy when looking at the big picture to see how pairings Chiarot and Petry were on stack up. One had some tough moments while acclimating to a new team, but had a solid season. One brought pretty much every d partner he had down. It's not an apt comparison.


So you’re saying that Hagg and Lindstrom are better and making 800K each compared to Petry’s 6.25M?

Here’s my question, can this Penguins team win a cup? No. Can this Penguins team compete for 1 more cup with its golden core if they had an extra 6.25M to sure up depth? It’s possible. Trading a first is a lot and probably unlikely. In this scenario, they did get 2 2nds, a 4th, and a prospect back.

Idea, in this scenario, yes you lose a 1st and that sucks. But you use one of those 2nds to get Addison or Durzi and you replaced Petry and still have 4M+ saved that you can spend on another player. And still have g try he other assets.
Jun. 6, 2023 at 9:49 a.m.
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Quoting: Wolverrobert
Who needs centers, we got wingers for days.


What available center would you suggest going after?
 
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