Trade Down Scenerio

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Created by: Shanesaw9

Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 11, 2023

Published: Jun. 11, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Early insight is MTL will not be picking Matvei Michkov at 5th overall, a couple names that are out there for MTL are Leonard and Reinbacher. Now I would just take Michkov personally, but let's say MTL is dead set against it for their own reasons - if so I would explore the a trade down scenario. Detroit would probably make the most sense in that their is a decent enough gap between 9th and 5th that they might be interested in trading up to get a player they really want, plus they also have another 1st round pick.

Here are 4 names (besides Michkov) that could potentially be available at 9th overall that I like and their average ranking on elite prospects including Wheeler + Pronman from the Athletic.

- Dvorsky (Ranking 9th)
- Leonard (Ranking 10th)
- Reinbacher (Ranking 14th)
- Perreault (Ranking 19th)

I think those average rankings are off a bit because some are probably outdated, but the takeaway from this is the two prospects MTL seemingly likes might be available at 9th overall, and even if they aren't there will be comparable prospects like Dvorsky that should also be available. There are other names that will be there too like Benson, Moore, Wood, Danielson, Simashev, But, etc... if MTL isn't taking Michkov they would be best served trading down IMO.

So the question is, would Detroit be interested in trading up to 5th for Michkov, or perhaps another prospect they are bug on that they feel won't be there at 9th?

I used the Athletic draft pick value chart for the basis of the trade.

With 17th overall MTL could play it by ear at the draft and see what's available or use it to pull the trigger on a Dubois deal as well.

Anyways, thought this would make for an interesting discussion, for the sake of the argument let's assume MTl has already decided internally to pass on Michkov.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël		2	$1,200,000
Dubois, Pierre-Luc		8	$8,125,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Monahan, Sean		1	$3,500,000
Belzile, Alex		2	$800,000

Trades

MTL

2023 1st round pick (DET)
2023 1st round pick (NYI)
2024 5th round pick (DET)

Additional Details:

9th and 17th overall

DET

2023 1st round pick (FLA)
2023 1st round pick (MTL)

Additional Details:

5th and 31st overall

MTL

Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]

WPG

Dvorak, Christian
Ylönen, Jesse [RFA Rights]
2023 1st round pick (NYI)

Additional Details:

17th overall. Basically they Horvat trade template, could be someone other than Ylonen but I like the Ylonen fit... gives the Jets a prospect that is ahead on development vs Kidney as they are still going to want to be competitive, Ylonen would be on the Jets bottom 6 scoring line with Dvorak.

MTL

Mantha, Anthony

Additional Details:

Haves give Mantha a chance, I feel they just need to move on from Hoffman.

WSH

Hoffman, Mike

Additional Details:

Hoffman is better and cheaper, helps Washington bring Orlov back.

MTL

Reilly, Mike
2023 3rd round pick (BOS)
2025 3rd round pick (BOS)

BOS

Edmundson, Joel ($1,750,000 retained)

Additional Details:

Just spit balling. Habs should look to weaponize extra cap space.

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Joel Edmundson: $1,750,000 (200%)

Buried

Mike Reilly: $1,850,000 ($3,000,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$76,111,666	$1,170,000	$4,195,000	$7,388,334

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caufield, Cole $7,850,000$7,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 8	Dubois, Pierre-Luc $8,125,000$8,125,000 C UFA - 8	Dach, Kirby $3,362,500$3,362,500 C, RW RFA - 3
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël $1,200,000$1,200,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 7	Mantha, Anthony $2,850,000$2,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Slafkovsky, Juraj $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) RW, LW RFA - 2	Monahan, Sean $3,500,000$3,500,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 4
Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4
Pezzetta, Michael $812,500$812,500 LW, RW UFA - 2	Belzile, Alex $800,000$800,000 C, RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 2	Montembeault, Samuel $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 1
Harris, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Allen, Jake $1,925,000$1,925,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Xhekaj, Arber $828,333$828,333 LD/RD RFA - 1	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($275,000$275K) RD RFA - 1
	Kovacevic, Johnathan $766,667$766,667 RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 3

Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:33 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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I think you know my opinion.

Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:35 p.m.

mmccRed198913

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

I think you know my opinion.

Wings say thank you very much. It I think 17 is already reserved for a different trade

Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

Wings say thank you very much. It I think 17 is already reserved for a different trade

I say screw that plan and get Michkov.
This deal isn't far off in value, it just really depends on who MTL wants to take and if they'll be there (Either Reinbacher or Leonard).

Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.

buffbry9108

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If Leo or smith are there then yes

Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:38 p.m.

Gofnut999

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Boston just buys out Reilly.

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Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:38 p.m.

mmccRed198913

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

I say screw that plan and get Michkov.
This deal isn't far off in value, it just really depends on who MTL wants to take and if they'll be there (Either Reinbacher or Leonard).

I only do this is Leo is there

Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

I only do this is Leo is there

Montreal doesn't do this if Leo is there.
I do this if Michkov is there. He is going to be one of the best players in the league, but he's Russian!!!!! Oh no!!!

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Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:41 p.m.

Shanesaw9

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Quoting: buffbry9108

If Leo or smith are there then yes

Quoting: mmccRed198913

I only do this is Leo is there

This would have to wait until draft day, if Leo or Smith are available at 5 then I'm quite confident Hughes would just draft one of them instead.

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Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: Shanesaw9

This would have to wait until draft day, if Leo or Smith are available at 5 then I'm quite confident Hughes would just draft one of them instead.

Mfers are so scared to draft a Kucherov-leveled projection.

When he gets drafted to Washington and Philly and he dumpsters us; good lord I'm going to go insane.

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Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:44 p.m.

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jpsnow13

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Detroit is close to MTL, they are rebuiding too, PLD's girlfriend is from Michigan... I see no reason why the Yserman wouldn't do trade directlyfor PLD.

Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:44 p.m.

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I wouldn't hate a 50% retained Edmunson for the bottom pairing, but we won't pay for a Reilly ca dump when his buyout cap hit is 333k this year.

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Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.

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buffbry9108

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Mfers are so scared to draft a Kucherov-leveled projection.

When he gets drafted to Washington and Philly and he dumpsters us; good lord I'm going to go insane.

The only thing I don't like about michkov is his attitude, he's the 3rd best talent in the draft otherwise. If he doesn't mature he could be a yakupov

Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.

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Quoting: buffbry9108

The only thing I don't like about michkov is his attitude, he's the 3rd best talent in the draft otherwise. If he doesn't mature he could be a yakupov

The only thing I don't like about Michkov is that he may not be available at 9. Calling him 3rd best talent is generous to Fantilli.

Jun. 11, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.

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JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: jpsnow13

Detroit is close to MTL, they are rebuiding too, PLD's girlfriend is from Michigan... I see no reason why the Yserman wouldn't do trade directlyfor PLD.

Because he wants an absurd contract and has a great history with teams! (Leaves after 3 years)!

Jun. 11, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.

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buffbry9108

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

The only thing I don't like about Michkov is that he may not be available at 9. Calling him 3rd best talent is generous to Fantilli.

It's not to me, if I had #1 pick I would trade back to 2 get a million assets and draft fantilli. I actually think he's going to have a better career then bedard

Jun. 11, 2023 at 2:06 p.m.

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Caps decline. Don’t need Hoffman and we definitely don’t need Orlov.

Jun. 11, 2023 at 2:07 p.m.

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JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: buffbry9108

It's not to me, if I had #1 pick I would trade back to 2 get a million assets and draft fantilli. I actually think he's going to have a better career then bedard

That's you.
I think if that happens to anyone; it'll be Michkov.

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Jun. 11, 2023 at 2:22 p.m.

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Quoting: jpsnow13

Detroit is close to MTL, they are rebuiding too, PLD's girlfriend is from Michigan... I see no reason why the Yserman wouldn't do trade directlyfor PLD.

PLD is "The Wanderer."

Jun. 11, 2023 at 2:33 p.m.

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If Leo or Smith aren't there at 5, I really like that Detroit trade

Jun. 11, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.

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Howie

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Jets would rather kidney over ylonen lol

Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:09 p.m.

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jpsnow13

You know nothing JS

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Because he wants an absurd contract and has a great history with teams! (Leaves after 3 years)!

Quoting: MoreHitzSeider

PLD is "The Wanderer."

If you think PLD wouldnt be faithfull to Detroit after wanting out of Colombus and Winnipeg, IMO it tells more about how unatractive you consider Detroit than anything else.

Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:13 p.m.

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There's nothing in it for Winnipeg. You'll need to add more to dump Dvorak.

Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:14 p.m.

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Quoting: jpsnow13

If you think PLD wouldnt be faithfull to Detroit after wanting out of Colombus and Winnipeg, IMO it tells more about how unatractive you consider Detroit than anything else.

I don't live in Detroit. I'm not even American. Try again troll. You really do know nothing, don't you?

Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:18 p.m.

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jpsnow13

You know nothing JS

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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider

I don't live in Detroit. I'm not even American. Try again troll. You really do know nothing, don't you?

IDK why you are so offended by such a simple remark. I guess it hit something deep.

Jun. 12, 2023 at 12:59 a.m.

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if MTL isn't going to take michkov at 5 they should still just keep the pick and take reinbacher

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