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2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period

Aug. 10, 2023 at 10:01 a.m.
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Quoting: HelmutCool
Did the buyout-window already close?
I wonder wtf Dallas was thinking bot getting rid off Suter.
I could see them even contending uf they managed somehow to replace him with Pesce....
Now the D-line just doesnt cut it. Even with improvement from Harley and Lundkvist.


Yeah, everyone thought Dallas would buy out Suter but Jim Nill is just dumb
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 10:36 a.m.
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Quoting: HelmutCool
Did the buyout-window already close?
I wonder wtf Dallas was thinking bot getting rid off Suter.
I could see them even contending uf they managed somehow to replace him with Pesce....
Now the D-line just doesnt cut it. Even with improvement from Harley and Lundkvist.


Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Yeah, everyone thought Dallas would buy out Suter but Jim Nill is just dumb


Yep, horrible move not to buy him out, but it is what it is.

D core stays with the same guys as last year, only change is Lundkvist in for Hanley/Miller full time this year. Everyone in the dcore except Suter will either improve or stay the same.

Only thing that worries me is how much of a burden Suter will be on whoever. Hoping they put him with Miro cause he’s the only one that can take it (put respect on his name because out of all the top 5 defensemen in this league, he’s gotten by a f*cking mile the worst partners out of the bunch).
Aug. 10, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
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According to ACGM’s no gm with space would take Jarnkrok even for future considerations. I have a hard time buying a team with space and few forwards wouldn’t take him for free.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 3:18 p.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
According to ACGM’s no gm with space would take Jarnkrok even for future considerations. I have a hard time buying a team with space and few forwards wouldn’t take him for free.


At the 2022 TDL, Jarnkrok at 50% retained cost a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 7th. Since then he has only gotten better. I could see some teams trying to use the Leafs cap situation as leverage in a deal, but it wouldn't get that low. At worst he's worth a late 2nd. I wouldn't even explore trading Jarnkrok though, cap can be shed in other ways
Aug. 10, 2023 at 3:21 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
At the 2022 TDL, Jarnkrok at 50% retained cost a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 7th. Since then he has only gotten better. I could see some teams trying to use the Leafs cap situation as leverage in a deal, but it wouldn't get that low. At worst he's worth a late 2nd. I wouldn't even explore trading Jarnkrok though, cap can be shed in other ways


What other ways? I’m not seeing other options unless you’re talking a Nylander deal.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 3:41 p.m.
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Edited Aug. 10, 2023 at 3:50 p.m.. Reason: Added the Nylander trade details for context
Quoting: DougieGilmour
What other ways? I’m not seeing other options unless you’re talking a Nylander deal.


There are a few situations, ranked here from most to least likely:

1. Trading Timmins and Lafferty
- Can deploy a 21 man roster, recoup some draft capital.
- I don't personally want to trade Timmins, but it seems likely at this point.
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2. Nylander trade
- Pending UFA who won't back down off of his 10 mil ask. It's either now or never for a Nylander deal, and we all know Treliving isn't opposed to a big trade. My guess is that the Leafs are waiting to get some clarity on the Nylander front before making any cap moves. If he extends then you look at Timmins and Lafferty. If he doesn't, then you trade him
- It's not overly important, but I could see a Nylander + Timmins deal. I hate the old Pesce for Nylander trope on this site, but it just seems so likely at this point. Pesce is apparently being shopped, a bigger named prospect in Jack Drury supposedly requested a trade, and Carolina supposedly wants a bigger name forward. Seems like the stars have aligned.
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3. Brodie trade
- Seems very unlikely, but he is a pending UFA making 5 mil who could definitely return us some assets. I doubt it would happen now, as the extra cap space we gain from moving Brodie can't be used to sign any decent UFAs. I threw this idea out there a few weeks ago
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.
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Leafs can run a 21 men roster without putting Timmins on waivers.

Lafferty and Reaves on waivers. Nobody will claim Reaves with that ugly contract. Maybe Lafferty but I doubt.

They will use some weird cap shenanigans to reach the cap limit before putting Muzzin and Murray on LTIR. I was able to reach 772$ cap space by putting on waivers Reaves only.

They are sadly used to 21 men roster anyway
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
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Quoting: pinslack
Leafs can run a 21 men roster without putting Timmins on waivers.

Lafferty and Reaves on waivers. Nobody will claim Reaves with that ugly contract. Maybe Lafferty but I doubt.

They will use some weird cap shenanigans to reach the cap limit before putting Muzzin and Murray on LTIR. I was able to reach 772$ cap space by putting on waivers Reaves only.

They are sadly used to 21 men roster anyway


Would be ideal IMO, but I just can't see the Leafs waiving Reaves. Seems like they plan on him being a mainstay on the roster
Aug. 10, 2023 at 5:14 p.m.
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Quoting: pinslack
Leafs can run a 21 men roster without putting Timmins on waivers.

Lafferty and Reaves on waivers. Nobody will claim Reaves with that ugly contract. Maybe Lafferty but I doubt.

They will use some weird cap shenanigans to reach the cap limit before putting Muzzin and Murray on LTIR. I was able to reach 772$ cap space by putting on waivers Reaves only.

They are sadly used to 21 men roster anyway


I feel they will waive Timmins but who knows. Now I dont want this to happen but if Knies goes down they can have 2 league min guys and have a 21 man team

There are some interesting guys still out there

But who knows now that EK has been dealt maybe we see Nylander trade discussions heat up as the hold up has now passes with EK now in PITT. Lets see
Aug. 10, 2023 at 5:21 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
I feel they will waive Timmins but who knows. Now I dont want this to happen but if Knies goes down they can have 2 league min guys and have a 21 man team

There are some interesting guys still out there

But who knows now that EK has been dealt maybe we see Nylander trade discussions heat up as the hold up has now passes with EK now in PITT. Lets see


The idea of giving up talent at the top of the roster to increase press box depth is not a decision any competent GM is going to make. But then again…..
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 5:27 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
The idea of giving up talent at the top of the roster to increase press box depth is not a decision any competent GM is going to make. But then again…..
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Wont be for cap reasons. It will be to address other areas of need

If Toronto does a sign and trade with Willy return could be amazing

Look what Horvat got as a rental or Tkachuck and PLD got in sign and trades.

If he sticks to his 10m ask yea move on but I got a feeling a move may happen closer to TDL
Aug. 10, 2023 at 5:30 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Wont be for cap reasons. It will be to address other areas of need

If Toronto does a sign and trade with Willy return could be amazing

Look what Horvat got as a rental or Tkachuck and PLD got in sign and trades.

If he sticks to his 10m ask yea move on but I got a feeling a move may happen closer to TDL


Its now or never. Makes no sense for the Leafs to make a move like that at the TDL
Aug. 10, 2023 at 5:33 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Its now or never. Makes no sense for the Leafs to make a move like that at the TDL


I dont know a TDL move could be spicey

Now it didnt work for both sides but remember Vrana for Mantha that was a bold move at the time.

Someone could come to Toronto and offer something they cant refuse for Willy

Still think Toronto and Carolina make the most sense but lets see
Aug. 10, 2023 at 5:37 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Wont be for cap reasons. It will be to address other areas of need

If Toronto does a sign and trade with Willy return could be amazing

Look what Horvat got as a rental or Tkachuck and PLD got in sign and trades.

If he sticks to his 10m ask yea move on but I got a feeling a move may happen closer to TDL


I am sure that will be the narrative coming out of TOR IF Treliving trades him. I will definitely be watching to see what he actually signs for if that’s the case.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:50 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
There are a few situations, ranked here from most to least likely:

1. Trading Timmins and Lafferty
- Can deploy a 21 man roster, recoup some draft capital.
- I don't personally want to trade Timmins, but it seems likely at this point.
image.png

2. Nylander trade
- Pending UFA who won't back down off of his 10 mil ask. It's either now or never for a Nylander deal, and we all know Treliving isn't opposed to a big trade. My guess is that the Leafs are waiting to get some clarity on the Nylander front before making any cap moves. If he extends then you look at Timmins and Lafferty. If he doesn't, then you trade him
- It's not overly important, but I could see a Nylander + Timmins deal. I hate the old Pesce for Nylander trope on this site, but it just seems so likely at this point. Pesce is apparently being shopped, a bigger named prospect in Jack Drury supposedly requested a trade, and Carolina supposedly wants a bigger name forward. Seems like the stars have aligned.
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3. Brodie trade
- Seems very unlikely, but he is a pending UFA making 5 mil who could definitely return us some assets. I doubt it would happen now, as the extra cap space we gain from moving Brodie can't be used to sign any decent UFAs. I threw this idea out there a few weeks ago
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I dislike option one, hate option two, and despise 3.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:54 p.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
I dislike option one, hate option two, and despise 3.


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Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:55 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
🤷‍♂️


I guess I choose 1 if moving Jarnkrok is simply not doable.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:11 p.m.
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Damn. Sprong is an idiot


Im devasted
Aug. 10, 2023 at 10:41 p.m.
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Quoting: HelmutCool
Did the buyout-window already close?
I wonder wtf Dallas was thinking bot getting rid off Suter.
I could see them even contending uf they managed somehow to replace him with Pesce....
Now the D-line just doesnt cut it. Even with improvement from Harley and Lundkvist.


You just can’t have enough veteranosity™
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 10:43 p.m.
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Quoting: NoVaSpartan
You just can’t have enough veteranosity™


bro trying to hard to make CF Thread All star team tears of joy

jk
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 10:44 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
bro trying to hard to make CF Thread All star team tears of joy

jk


If he does well in training camp, he may get a call up
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 10:45 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
bro trying to hard to make CF Thread All star team tears of joy

jk


I put up 4 points in a season on a high school team, the team does NOT need me tears of joy
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 10:45 p.m.
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If he does well in training camp, he may get a call up


sign him to a PTO
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 11:03 p.m.
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Damn. Sprong is an idiot


Im devasted


The **** happened?
Aug. 10, 2023 at 11:03 p.m.
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Quoting: NoVaSpartan
I put up 4 points in a season on a high school team, the team does NOT need me tears of joy


Mickey Mouse spa win


Always. Why is sprong an idiot
 
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