I would also argue Bo Horvat considering the Canucks were still trying to compete but they also stank. Fair point but everyone knows what Nylander wants

They haven't won the cup but they sure as hell have been a good team. I bet you are one of those people that like to think the Islanders or Rangers or Hurricanes etc are better built teams because they have gone beyond the 2nd round recently. But how have they done against the division the Leafs have had to go up against in the 1st and 2nf round? Spoiler, they lost. Losing a little later doesn't make a team better. They still lost. You win or you don't and the Leafs are close to winning. They need the right breaks and their time and it's coming.

No, the Hawks have been bad for 2 years and just acquired a generational talent that I hope they don't feed to the wolves

That's 1 opinion. I'm not going to say you can't have an opinion. Taylor Hall is pretty good. He's not as good as Nylander, but still pretty good in his own right. They don't need to solve 100% of their problems on day 1...in fact I'm confident that NOT 100% of the solutions are even available on day 1.

If Nylander is truly asking for $10M...The Hawks can sign him as a UFA and keep all their assets. $10M is insane. That boggles my mind that he thinks that's even a reasonble ask. Again...if Treliving is dumb enough to do it...fine. CBJ found a desperate man and took advantage of him in that Seth Jones trade. People sometimes do stupid things.

Lol 5th best. Dude, it is very easy to flesh out the bottom of a roster for cheap. The pens, hawks and others did it forever. You simply dont over pay middling players, it is not hard at all.

Kraken fans insist on resigning 33 year old Jordan Eberle and 33 year old Justin Schultz instead

Maybe... But IMO, Boston's 3rd liners shouldn't be the guys Bedard gets sent out with

And yet, they have continually found value adds for cheap. There are always players who have had trouble elsewhere and want to showcase they still have it with short term deals in TO. This isn't new

Wrong....again. Read what I wrote. Horvat was on a non playoff contending team and was traded near TDL. Entirely different from the Nylander/Leafs scenario.
Yes, trades like Horvat and the signing happen.
There are 100 upcomign UFAs, they all don't get traded.
Why don't Bertuzzi, Domi, Lafferty, Giordano, Samsonov, Brodie, Klingberg get traded by the Leafs this summer.?
Doesn't really matter what Nylander wants. It's what teams will offer.

I don't agree with you on much at all, but I do agree that TOR needs a few breaks for once (instead of against them) and that they are a very good team. Me saying TOR is a very good team doesn't mean I can't also think CAR is a really good team too. Two things can be true at any given point in time.

I'm happy that in your own way you've acknowledged that TOR hasn't really been making it work due to the performance THUS FAR. I'll likely be cheering them on in the playoffs next year (CHI fans love underdogs by the way...our baseball teams have EACH had longer droughts than the Leafs).

BOS broke the record for points in a season last year. Their 3rd liners are better than 3rd liners. Rebuilds take longer than 1 year. Kyle Davidson has done a TREMENDOUS job so far. The Farm system went from 24th in the league...to 2nd in the league in 2 years. YES, luck is a lot of that jump...aka...Bedard, but it's real. I guess technically "real via opinion". Farm System Rankings are all really opinions.

Stay the course. HUGE UFA market next year. keep the assets.

Anyone paying Nylander 9 mil or more a year is not a winner. Second, hawks fans believe their gm when he says they're rebuilding the right way and it's gonna be through the draft. Davidson has come out and said they're pretty much done making any moves this offseason. They're entering year 2 of the rebuild. They won't be paying major assets for players until atleast next offseason but more realistically 2 offseasons from now. This is why hawks fans say no to most trades on here that involve giving up any first round picks or top prospects.

You think Nylander is the Leafs 5th best player?

BOS broke the points record because their two best forwards made a combined $2M to the cap....context is key.

Nylander is so so so underrated

Would you really pay $10M per year for Nylander?

He isn't going to get that much. How do negotiations work? One side asks for a number and the other side counters and it goes back and forth. This is how it works and has worked forever. Nylander repeatedly has said he wants to stay, Shanahan gave that directive to Treliving and all sides want the same thing. Whatever his actual 1st ask was, it's just that. The first ask.

Nylander will get around 9.5 and yes, I absolutely would pay that much.

I think they should partner Bedard with someone in year 1 to give him a fighting chance but I'm not a Hawks fan

IMO, given the leafs cap space, no... but a team that needs to build... 100%

*Most important* yes... I think if Nylander goes down, it doesn't hurt as much as Rielly, Matthews, Sammy, Marner and maybe JT (bc of his leadership and the linuep flexibility) going down

But I meant the Canucks were trying to contend... picking up Hronek at TDL and all of the guys on the Canucks repeatedly saying they want to win

I know their are a lot of UFAs... But I'd rather trade the most important one left then let him walk/sign him to a balloon contract, when the Leafs don't have that cap space

5th most important...

Just running the numbers... Matthews gets 13.25... That's a 1.5 mill jump and Nylander gets a 3-4 mill jump... A 4.5-5.5 mill jump If the cap is supposed to go up by only 4 mill, where do the Leafs cut costs? Why not become 4 lines deep while still having a number of superstars

I hear you and I agree. I just think they already are doing that. Are they cup contenders...no. That's ok too. They'll get there imo fairly soon.



I guess it really comes down to, I simply don't value Nylander as much as Leafs fans do. They should keep him. I'm not even convinced he deserves $9M let along $9.5M or $10M.

***EDIT*** I saw the next comment and then figured I'd just reply to both here. sorry.

Yeah, I just don't think they've done enough

Where did Reichel play last season? What gives him the ability to leap frog Kampf ? People sure underestimate the importance of Kampf playing 3C. The guy is a +18 in 2 seasons with the leafs, taking almost all the d-zone faceoffs and playing the shutdown role.