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Created by: KingExLeafs

Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 31, 2023

Published: Aug. 31, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Trade Nylander and Marner. They want to compare themselves to Matthews and be paid based on the pay scale he has established but they're not Matthews and never will be. Marner doesn't deserve a raise, so him asking for 12 + on his next contract, which he is expected to, is a joke. Trade him now. And Nylander is not a 10 million dollar player, so why overpay for him just to keep him? Trade him too.

As for JT, he'll probably stay around and play in the 3C role on a much cheaper deal, which means the Leafs need to trade both Marner and Nylander for another elite center to play behind Matthews and a bona-fide number 1 defenceman to play ahead of Rielly.

Trades

TOR

Pettersson, Elias

Additional Details:

Deadline deal as it appears that Pettersson won't resign in Vancouver because they're out of the playoffs once again. Pettersson has made it clear that he wants to sign for a competitive team that makes the playoffs every year.

VAN

Liljegren, Timothy
Nylander, William
2024 1st round pick (TOR)

TOR

Additional Details:

Power is due a big raise much like Dahlin, so where is the money coming from? Removing the Skinner contract will be a big challenge for Buffalo. I think it'll make sense for Buffalo to package Skinner with Power and go big game hunting, landing a top playmaker to play with either Thompson or Cozens.

BUF

Marner, Mitchell

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$83,500,000	$82,795,251	$0	$1,850,000	$704,749

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C NMC UFA - 1	Bertuzzi, Tyler $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 1
Domi, Max $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 2	Skinner, Jeff $9,000,000$9,000,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 4
Knies, Matthew $925,000$925,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Holmberg, Pontus $800,000$800,000 C, LW RFA - 2	Järnkrok, Calle $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, C, LW M-NTC UFA - 3
Lafferty, Sam $1,150,000$1,150,000 RW, C, LW UFA - 1	Kämpf, David $2,400,000$2,400,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	Reaves, Ryan $1,350,000$1,350,000 RW UFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Power, Owen $916,667$916,667 ($1,850,000$2M) LD/RD UFA - 1	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Samsonov, Ilya $3,550,000$3,550,000 G UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan $7,500,000$7,500,000 LD NMC UFA - 7	McCabe, Jake $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Woll, Joseph $766,667$766,667 G RFA - 2
Giordano, Mark $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 1	Klingberg, John $4,150,000$4,150,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Timmins, Conor $1,100,000$1,100,000 RD RFA - 2		Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas $796,667$796,667 LW, RW RFA - 1		Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1

Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:22 p.m.

TyeZerker

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Marner literally vetos everything learn how NTC works

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:24 p.m.

audiodave

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Canucks pass. If your Pettersson wanting out scenario were true, Vancouver would want younger players and draft picks not a pending UFA who wants to get paid.

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:25 p.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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Feel free to delete

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:26 p.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: TyeZerker

Marner literally vetos everything learn how NTC works

He wouldn't have to, buffalo isn't doing this

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:34 p.m.

PeterForsberg21

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Very easy no from VAN.

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:34 p.m.

KingExLeafs

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Quoting: audiodave

Canucks pass. If your Pettersson wanting out scenario were true, Vancouver would want younger players and draft picks not a pending UFA who wants to get paid.

Vancouver's management would still want to try to make the playoffs in the years ahead to possibly entice Hughes to stay and keep the owner happy. They won't tear it all down.

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:35 p.m.

Brad_Treliving

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Leafs easily pass the Sabres trade. Skinner is a cap dump and Owen Power is a soft defensemen. No thanks

Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:35 p.m.

KingExLeafs

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Feel free to delete

Feel free not to comment

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:36 p.m.

KingExLeafs

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Leafs easily pass the Sabres trade. Skinner is a cap dump and Owen Power is a soft defensemen. No thanks

He's a minute eater

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:55 p.m.

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audiodave

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

Vancouver's management would still want to try to make the playoffs in the years ahead to possibly entice Hughes to stay and keep the owner happy. They won't tear it all down.

If they are out of the playoff race with Pettersson, trading him for Nylander won't get them there.

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 9:55 p.m.

#11

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Leafs easily pass the Sabres trade. Skinner is a cap dump and Owen Power is a soft defensemen. No thanks

Lmao

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:08 p.m.

#12

mv21227

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Leafs easily pass the Sabres trade. Skinner is a cap dump and Owen Power is a soft defensemen. No thanks

Power would be the Leafs best dman

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:08 p.m.

#13

mv21227

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Canucks pass. The only way the Leafs can get Pettersson is if it’s Pettersson+ for Matthews. Nothing else makes sense for the Canucks

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:10 p.m.

#14

Aasen6

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Nylander could come with an 8 year extension at 2.5m and Van still laughs at you and hangs up.

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:22 p.m.

#15

Epic_Ninja_Dude

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Canucks easily decline. If Pettersson wants out because it's not a winning team, what makes you think Nylander will want to extend when the team is objectively worse without Pettersson and he's going from a top cup contender to a bottom 10 team in the league? Pettersson for Nylander makes zero sense from the Canucks perspective.

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:24 p.m.

#16

AntiAnalytics

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Sabres pass
They don’t even consider this

And, your logic is faulty as well
We have plenty of Cap Room coming up to extend Dahlin AND Power

The Cap isn’t a problem for us in the slightest

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:45 p.m.

#17

Warpbox

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

Vancouver's management would still want to try to make the playoffs in the years ahead to possibly entice Hughes to stay and keep the owner happy. They won't tear it all down.

So naturally to make the playoffs in years ahead they trade for a pending UFA that leaves their 2C as... Pius Suter. Yeah that's totally realistic

Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:48 p.m.

#18

KingExLeafs

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Quoting: Warpbox

So naturally to make the playoffs in years ahead they trade for a pending UFA that leaves their 2C as... Pius Suter. Yeah that's totally realistic

They can sign a center next offseason in free agency, possibly Lindholm, Scheifele, Stephenson, or trade for one.

Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:49 p.m.

#19

KingExLeafs

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

Sabres pass
They don’t even consider this

And, your logic is faulty as well
We have plenty of Cap Room coming up to extend Dahlin AND Power

The Cap isn’t a problem for us in the slightest

All bad teams say that. It's the good teams that have cap problems.

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:52 p.m.

#20

AntiAnalytics

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

All bad teams say that. It's the good teams that have cap problems.

Or the really young teams with value contracts

We don’t want Marner
And we aren’t trading Power
The End

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:52 p.m.

#21

Warpbox

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

They can sign a center next offseason in free agency, possibly Lindholm, Scheifele, Stephenson, or trade for one.

The genius plan of praying that a centre signs for a non playoff Canadian market for cheap. Why don't more teams just do that!

Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:52 p.m.

#22

jaok3

Marner rocks

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Leafs easily pass the Sabres trade. Skinner is a cap dump and Owen Power is a soft defensemen. No thanks

Teams always trade their best 2-way player that is the only guy on the team on the #1 unit in every situation. They don't move around guys to play with Matthews, Willie or JT if their slumping it's Marner. Marner is the gas that gets the other engines going and it wouldn't matter who his center is, he will produce, the other way around the centers production drops without him on their wing.

Aug. 31, 2023 at 11:01 p.m.

#23

Juiceman

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Quoting: KingExLeafs

They can sign a center next offseason in free agency, possibly Lindholm, Scheifele, Stephenson, or trade for one.

You know who else they could sign in free agency? William Nylander

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Aug. 31, 2023 at 11:33 p.m.

#24

KingExLeafs

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Quoting: Juiceman

You know who else they could sign in free agency? William Nylander

Yea, definitely. But in order to keep the cap number down it'll be better to trade for him and sign him to an eight year extension.

Aug. 31, 2023 at 11:35 p.m.

#25

KingExLeafs

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

Or the really young teams with value contracts

We don’t want Marner
And we aren’t trading Power
The End

Skinner is a real value contract, that's right

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