I think the Hawks probably accept.

"They can trade him with 50% retain and have a good return. And fort the leaf they clear 7 million cap space"

But they can't. He has NMC and he certainly isn't waiving to a non playoff west coast team.

Don't forget the fact the Sharks would be maxed out on retention slots.

Why make the team worse?

They also wouldn't have a 3rd retention slot since OP has the Sharks retaining on Sturm for whatever reason.

Sharks are literally just adding cap here and while giving up more value than what they could even get back flipping Tavarez. Makes zero sense

Yes the team is little bit mor “ worse” but next year you can sign Nylander

The Leafs have lots of cap next season.....Bertuzzi, Domi, Lafferty, Giordano, Brodie, Klingberg and Samsonov are all UFAs....that's 24m and just one RFA to sign Liljegren.
Leafs can sign Nylander??? so can 31 other teams. It spending the cap wisely that is important, whether Nylander is a Leaf next season, doesn't really matter

Really? Who's filling that opening on RD? Not Gambrell or Robertson. This MIGHT (and I stress might) be a fair offer for Murphy half retained for 3 years, but it creates a big time mentorship issue for the Hawks on their blue line this season.

If the Hawks were going to trade Murphy, the trade would have been made far earlier than now so Kyle from Chicago could backfill the RD hole. Trying to do that now means Hawks overpay for Murphy's replacement or end up with a bum to play with Phillips or Kaiser. And why add two more forwards who need NHL ice time? Hawks have too many all ready. Hawks don't make this deal.

No chance the Leafs do that or JT does that… They don’t trade PPG players for 3rd liners and a 2nd

You mean the letters NMC means something. This is a game people need to play by the real rules.

As much as I feel Tavares contract was over priced there is no chance he waives his NMC. The main problem why we all complain he is not good defensive is because that line has always had Nylander on it and a random guy who never actually fit there ever. The coach is and has always been a moron to not see Marner should be switched with Nylander to give Tavares a competent line mate who actually can skate and knows there is a defensive zone. As is the lines should be Domi - Matthews - Nylander then Bertuzzi - Tavares - Marner. At least you would have 1 good defensive player per line. If you could magically get Tavares to waive we have to get at least a competent 2 line center back.

You have to realize that a guy who grew up in Toronto and took less money signing there, isn't waiving to go to the other side of North America.

First off I agree with you, if Murphy was going to be traded it more then likely would have happened by now, I am merely responding to the proposal as shown.

Secondly, I am on record as saying I think Murphy is highly overrated by Blackhawk fans. In my opinion he is a decent second pair/PK d-man. With that in mind if you could get a 1st and 3rd for him you jump at the chance.

Robertson has injury questions but I would give him a chance over guys like Katchouk, Entwistle, R Johnson etc. the potential upside is greater than anything those guys offer. Gambrel… whatever he can go to Rockford, ECHL, waive whatever.

As for his potential replacement there are guys available from teams that still have cap issues to resolve:

Calgary is over the cap with a 21 man roster perhaps you can squeeze out Tanev for cheap or next to nothing.

Colorado is right up against the cap, they may be willing to move Girard who is a $5m luxury third pair d-man because of the development of Byram.

Edmonton has cap issues to resolve, Ceci may be available again for next to nothing or perhaps even with a sweetener.

Vancouver would probably jump at the chance to move Myers and probably attached a 2nd or 3rd round pick to him.

We may actually see the much anticipated and heavily debated Joseph/Brannstrom (aka next coming of Bobby Orr according to Sens fans) deal. Again potentially with a pick(s) added.

Maybe there is an opportunity for a follow up deal with the Leafs centred around Brodie.

That is just off the top of my head, I am sure there are other players out there that can shake free as we close in on the start of the season. Are they better then Murphy, perhaps not but some of those options are fairly close and at the end of the day, is winning really the priority yet?

Guess we'll have to disagree on Murphy's value. A 1st and a 3rd for Murphy with $6.5m retention for 3 years is probably the bare minimum Hawks might accept. I put little to no value on Robertson and no value on Gambrell. I say little to no value on Robertson because theres at least 6 forward prospect for the Hawks as of now who would be ahead of Robertson in their internal rankings in my opinion. And it might be more than 6. Like I said, it MIGHT be fair value, but I don't see the Hawks taking it.

No winning isn't a priority yet. But giving the 6 or 7 rookies who figure to make the NHL roster this year a strong locker room and strong on ice leadership is a priority. Giving Vlasic, Phillips, Kaiser good veteran partners to play with and learn from is a priority. Just my opinion, but the Hawks fire sale is over. Hawks have plenty of prospects and plenty more picks to make in the next 2 drafts. No need to just give your good veteran leaders away for minimal return any longer.

Yes, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one because I don’t see the proposal as constructed as “giving Murphy away”.

As far as a strong veteran presence, there are still plenty of solid veterans in the locker room and several of the potential replacement players I mentioned (Tanev, Brodie etc) are also considered solid veteran leaders.

I can see both sides, but I think having Murphy as a mentor is a luxury, not a necessity. If we get a chance to acquire more assets for him and/or most of the other veterans on CHI's roster, we should take it.

I do disagree with @SnowHawk18 that Murphy is overrated, though. It is less a case of overrating him and more having to incessantly defend him from people who know nothing about him outside of his stat line. A stat line heavily influenced by awful rosters and AWFUL coaching under Colliton. He is a very good right shot defensive minded defenseman who eats almost 20min a game and is in his prime. Those all contribute to his trade value heavily. But, no one has ever said he is something he isn't. I think NHL fans value offensive defenseman way too highly, and when they see low point totals they pass unwarranted judgements.

Johnny cement boots is not waiving for SJ