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Created by: Renegade_H
Team: 2023-24 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 16, 2023
Published: Sep. 17, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
TDL - Get rid of Staal, Ceci, and Joseph
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Ceci, Cody
  3. Foegele, Warren
  4. Holloway, Dylan
  5. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
  6. 2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Holloway,Bourgault, 1st for retained TK
Foegele is salary dump
Ceci and 2nd for cheaper RD in Seeler
EDM
  1. Konecny, Travis ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. Seeler, Nick
2.
PHI
  1. 2024 5th round pick (SJS)
Additional Details:
Third line winger for 1 year
3.
PHI
  1. Iafallo, Alex
  2. Schmidt, Nate
Additional Details:
Flyers need LW. WPG need 2nd line C. Schmidt for Sanheim is merely getting out of that contract.
4.
PHI
  1. Spence, Jordan
  2. Turcotte, Alex
  3. 2024 1st round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Hart, Carter ($1,979,000 retained)
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (PHI)
5.
PHI
  1. Joseph, Mathieu
  2. Pinto, Shane [RFA Rights]
  3. 2024 1st round pick (DET)
OTT
  1. Allison, Wade
  2. Laughton, Scott
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$75,336,262$1,187,500$2,347,500$8,163,738
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
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$7,750,000$7,750,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$2,625,000$2,625,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333
RW
RFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$650,000$650K)
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$1,550,000$2M)
C
RFA - 1
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$5,875,000$5,875,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,375,000$2,375,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$1,600,000$1,600,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$5,100,000$5,100,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$859,167$859,167 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
G
RFA - 1
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$5,950,000$5,950,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
G
UFA - 1
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$903,333$903,333 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LD
RFA - 3
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$2,650,000$2,650,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$820,000$820,000 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
RD
UFA - 4

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Sep. 17, 2023 at 7:23 a.m.
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Don’t think Ottawa could do the trade. Joseph and Laughton have essentially the same cap hit, so we’d still have to unload a player to fit under the cap with a 20 man roster. Maybe with some retention it could work
Sep. 17, 2023 at 8:03 a.m.
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Man that’s a bad deal for Philly on that Ottawa trade
Sep. 17, 2023 at 8:47 a.m.
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Value is generous on the Habs trade, but the Habs are trying to create space for their prospects to play. Habs decline.
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 8:57 a.m.
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I don't believe that LA trade would happen and especially not at that price. Hart is tainted, and may not even be available to be traded.
Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:06 a.m.
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Quoting: jonh514
Value is generous on the Habs trade, but the Habs are trying to create space for their prospects to play. Habs decline.


Value isnt generous. Foegele is a borderline negative value asset at his cap hit. Its the same issue as joseph
Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:17 a.m.
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Quoting: RicXX
I don't believe that LA trade would happen and especially not at that price. Hart is tainted, and may not even be available to be traded.


We don't really know if he's tainted. Pure speculation until announcement.
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:28 a.m.
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Quoting: Renegade_H
We don't really know if he's tainted. Pure speculation until announcement.


Maybe I didn't word it correctly, just with everything being said I'm calling the entire 2018 jr team tainted. Minus the few players that have been confirmed not there.
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:31 a.m.
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So you say Foegele us a cap dump, but you still get positive assets for him. Weird
Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:55 a.m.
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EDM abruptly ends the call with an eye roll and a sigh.
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Black61
Value isnt generous. Foegele is a borderline negative value asset at his cap hit. Its the same issue as joseph


30 point forward for a 5th round pick. I'll take that.
Sep. 17, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
So you say Foegele us a cap dump, but you still get positive assets for him. Weird


One man's trash is another man's treasure.
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 11:52 a.m.
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even tho sanheim is from manitoba, Jets don’t need another LHD, and frost is a little underwhelming as a 2C although he could improve. the value isn’t quite there for this to work
Sep. 17, 2023 at 11:59 a.m.
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Quoting: DustinBrown1989
Man that’s a bad deal for Philly on that Ottawa trade


Lol not a chance
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 12:00 p.m.
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Lol not a chance


And least take off the second going back
Sep. 17, 2023 at 12:02 p.m.
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These seem solid to me
Sep. 17, 2023 at 12:19 p.m.
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Quoting: DustinBrown1989
And least take off the second going back


Any deal with Pinto and a 1st better be bringing back an elite player. Don’t be this ridiculous lmao
Sep. 17, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Any deal with Pinto and a 1st better be bringing back an elite player. Don’t be this ridiculous lmao


I mean.... youre moving down a round for a proven leader. You signing Pinto? As of right now, that looks iffy - thus the trade.
Sep. 17, 2023 at 12:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Renegade_H
I mean.... youre moving down a round for a proven leader. You signing Pinto? As of right now, that looks iffy - thus the trade.


I would maybe move the lower 1st for Laughton with retention but no way is Pinto being involved in a trade for Laughton. Pinto has top 6 potential
Sep. 17, 2023 at 12:36 p.m.
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
I would maybe move the lower 1st for Laughton with retention but no way is Pinto being involved in a trade for Laughton. Pinto has top 6 potential


So this trade would be closer to acceptable if it was Ridley Greig instead of Pinto?
Sep. 17, 2023 at 12:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Renegade_H
So this trade would be closer to acceptable if it was Ridley Greig instead of Pinto?


Neither is available , I don’t know what fans of other teams are thinking but none of those 2 are available. They’re 2 of their best young players with top 6 potential and are cheap
Sep. 17, 2023 at 9:33 p.m.
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No in what world is that a fair trade with the amount of comparables there are for the oilers also ceci>>>seeler
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Sep. 18, 2023 at 6:13 a.m.
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Quoting: Oiler_fan88
No in what world is that a fair trade with the amount of comparables there are for the oilers also ceci>>>seeler


Duh. The whole point of the swap was for salary cap space - comes out to roughly 1.7M
Sep. 18, 2023 at 10:08 a.m.
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Quoting: Renegade_H
Duh. The whole point of the swap was for salary cap space - comes out to roughly 1.7M


So then why are we paying a 2nd also I would recommend looking at the debrincat trade as well as the meier trade
Sep. 18, 2023 at 3:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Oiler_fan88
So then why are we paying a 2nd also I would recommend looking at the debrincat trade as well as the meier trade


Alright. Maybe straight up and we can ship Ceci to another team. As for Debrincat trade, the appeal to TK is the pending RFA status. Recently read The Athletic article about teams and cap space efficiency per player, TK was valued at 7.1M. Getting him for 4M is a damn good bargain.
Sep. 18, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Renegade_H
One man's trash is another man's treasure.

He's not considered trash in Edmonton though. He scores at a first line rate at 5v5 without playing with McDavid and is good defensively.

His scoring rates are like 90% of Konecny's at 50% the cap hit, and he brings a lot of physicality that TK doesn't. If they trade Foegele for Konecny they aren't adding their 1RD, two top prospects plus a 1st and 2nd.
 
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