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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #2: Early Overreactions

Dec. 14, 2023 at 11:20 p.m.
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Man, the whole Kyrou situation is really upsetting. He made a nothing comment and he gets relentlessly booed by Blues fans. So uncalled for, seeing him in tears in the post game presser was really difficult. Easily one of my favorite players in the league, can't believe this is the response he's getting
Dec. 14, 2023 at 11:32 p.m.
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Still can't believe Edmonton hired Holland considering how badly he left Detroit, Now he's doing the same in Edmonton with the greatest player of this generation. So sad man
Dec. 14, 2023 at 11:34 p.m.
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Still can't believe Edmonton hired Holland considering how badly he left Detroit, Now he's doing the same in Edmonton with the greatest player of this generation. So sad man


Its pedigree as its well he won a cup like Babcock

I guess the justification is hes up this summer anyways so why fire

Anyways will be an interesting Summer I guess
Dec. 14, 2023 at 11:37 p.m.
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Its pedigree as its well he won a cup like Babcock

I guess the justification is hes up this summer anyways so why fire

Anyways will be an interesting Summer I guess


Fire him now, Edmonton is still in it this year. They need a goalie, my biggest question is how tf is their goalie coach still there? Something has to change. We're 1/4 into the season and nothing has been addressed.
Dec. 14, 2023 at 11:39 p.m.
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Meanwhile, the Leafs this season have decided 51.85% of games in regulation, 33.33% in overtime, and 18.52% in the shootout.


I saw they were down 5-0 tonight so…wait…
Dec. 14, 2023 at 11:44 p.m.
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Put Bouchard Edmonton Oilers on the wing (or waivers) for crying out loud...
Guy can't check his own hat!!!
Dec. 15, 2023 at 12:10 a.m.
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https://twitter.com/DimFilipovic/status/1735520243160891622

Memes be real rn
Dec. 15, 2023 at 10:32 a.m.
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Bring back ties and dump the gimmicks!


Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Sorry but ties is even worse than OT/SO


Quoting: aadoyle
No just no lul

That be worse than the current system

Getting 1 point of 2 even if your outplayed can be viewed as an accomplishment as if you get 3/4 points in a b2b not bad


Quoting: IconicHawk
I would rather someone stick a chunk of a broken christmas ornament up my eye than have ties


I wish they would go to the 3 point regulation win system. It's a joke that games decided at 5-on-5 have 2 points awarded and those decided by gimmicks are 3 point games.
Dec. 15, 2023 at 11:19 a.m.
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Quoting: HockeyScotty
I wish they would go to the 3 point regulation win system. It's a joke that games decided at 5-on-5 have 2 points awarded and those decided by gimmicks are 3 point games.


I do really like the IIHF system of 3 for Reg win, 2 for OT/SO win, 1 for OT/SO loss and 0 for reg loss, I do feel like it's a better system overall
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Dec. 15, 2023 at 11:36 a.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
I do really like the IIHF system of 3 for Reg win, 2 for OT/SO win, 1 for OT/SO loss and 0 for reg loss, I do feel like it's a better system overall


IIRC Friedman has said in the past that people have run the numbers on this and it makes a negligible difference in the standings between a 2 point and 3 point system
Dec. 15, 2023 at 11:54 a.m.
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Edited Dec. 15, 2023 at 12:11 p.m.
Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Man, the whole Kyrou situation is really upsetting. He made a nothing comment and he gets relentlessly booed by Blues fans. So uncalled for, seeing him in tears in the post game presser was really difficult. Easily one of my favorite players in the league, can't believe this is the response he's getting



I think this is fascinating. It is by far the most negative and personal I’ve ever seen stl act towards one of its own.

I think there’s 2 parts to this.

The primary and most resounding part is that the blues mishandled the Berube situation. A lot of those boos were for that situation and for Doug Armstrong, who didn't present himself to take them.

The second is that the bar is set high in stl for top performers. The market does not specifically care about extremely flashy offense, they care about effort. Stl rarely has a high paid player. The majority of our team are high effort guys. You can count the guys who’ve gotten ~10% of the cap or more on one hand. The expectations of effort are way higher than what Kyrou provides. Way higher. Like Kyrou is off the scales in the negative direction.

If it weren’t for his contract I’m not sure he’d have been in the lineup a handful of games this season. He would have been watching upstairs.

His agent and the gm are at fault here. He was presented with a contract that puts him in a position to fail. The writing has been on the wall the entire time, plain as day.

It’s probably best that he’s traded as soon as a deal can be made. He will have a good career. I don’t know that anybody specifically dislikes him, but I know for sure they dislike the direction the team has taken. When fans boo during a win, that’s the message.
Dec. 15, 2023 at 12:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Turbo
IIRC Friedman has said in the past that people have run the numbers on this and it makes a negligible difference in the standings between a 2 point and 3 point system


But if it makes everyone "feel better" about the structure; then there is no reason to implement it if it won't have a huge impact.
Dec. 15, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
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I think this is fascinating. It is by far the most negative and personal I’ve ever seen stl act towards one of its own.

I think there’s 2 parts to this.

The primary and most resounding part is that the blues mishandled the Berube situation. A lot of those boos were for that situation and for Doug Armstrong, who didn't present himself to take them.

The second is that the bar is set high in stl for top performers. The market does not specifically care about extremely flashy offense, they care about effort. Stl rarely has a high paid player. The majority of our team are high effort guys. You can count the guys who’ve gotten ~10% of the cap or more on one hand. The expectations of effort are way higher than what Kyrou provides. Way higher. Like Kyrou is off the scales in the negative direction.

If it weren’t for his contract I’m not sure he’d have been in the lineup a handful of games this season. He would have been watching upstairs.

His agent and the gm are at fault here. He was presented with a contract that puts him in a position to fail. The writing has been on the wall the entire time, plain as day.

It’s probably best that he’s traded as soon as a deal can be made. He will have a good career. I don’t know that anybody specifically dislikes him, but I know for sure they dislike the direction the team has taken. When fans boo during a win, that’s the message.


When the Blues gave rich extensions to Robert Thomas and Jordan Kyrou while letting Pietrangelo, Perron, and O'Reilly walk they basically rewarded the opposite of what you state is the fans desired team. Giving Berube a roster that doesn't match his style of play then canning him only further sends that message.

I used to respect the Blues as a great rival (as an Avs fan) but the whole Binnington/Kadri fallout and subsequent team issues leaves me with little appreciation for the franchise anymore.
Dec. 15, 2023 at 2:45 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyScotty
When the Blues gave rich extensions to Robert Thomas and Jordan Kyrou while letting Pietrangelo, Perron, and O'Reilly walk they basically rewarded the opposite of what you state is the fans desired team. Giving Berube a roster that doesn't match his style of play then canning him only further sends that message.

I used to respect the Blues as a great rival (as an Avs fan) but the whole Binnington/Kadri fallout and subsequent team issues leaves me with little appreciation for the franchise anymore.


Fortunately, the nhl is a spectacle driven enterprise.

Good or bad, storylines hook audiences.

I think our gm showed who he is with Patrick Berglund. I don’t think anybody should be surprised by the Blues being ruthless. The Berglund situation is ice cold, no way to explain it with positive spin. The current stuff is mild compared to that imo.

Berglund was drafted by the team, signed a no trade clause contract. Literally the moment a paperwork error occurred by an agent he was shipped out, was so sad he quit playing altogether. Not many trades in nhl history result in a dude quitting, nor include a dude who had negotiated a clause have it ignored because of an agents paperwork error. I’ll never fully respect our gm due to this. I recognize he’s amazing, but I wouldn’t do what he did.
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Dec. 15, 2023 at 7:04 p.m.
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Laine out 6-weeks from "PK-Subby-special" slew foot!
fuggly
Dec. 15, 2023 at 7:16 p.m.
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Tatar to SEA - plan the parade...
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Dec. 15, 2023 at 8:32 p.m.
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Laine out 6-weeks from "PK-Subby-special" slew foot!
fuggly


It was a “wide stance”
Dec. 15, 2023 at 8:52 p.m.
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It was a “wide stance”


Yeah OK, wink-wink, nothing for the DoPeS there...
Dec. 15, 2023 at 9:00 p.m.
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Over last two nights Metro teams have faced seven #2 goalies, zero #1 goalies.

It’s a conspiracy.
Dec. 15, 2023 at 9:09 p.m.
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Ullmark!!! Then some Geekie!!!
Hello
Dec. 15, 2023 at 10:35 p.m.
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PASTA w/ a Side Dish of Sick Mitts!
yum yum
Boston Bruins 5
New York Islanders 4
Dec. 15, 2023 at 10:58 p.m.
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when you get traded to the other team during the game

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Dec. 15, 2023 at 11:14 p.m.
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What the chances Rod Brind'Amour gets fired before DJ Smith
Dec. 15, 2023 at 11:15 p.m.
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when you get traded to the other team during the game

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lmao, what is Chychrun doing?
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Dec. 15, 2023 at 11:17 p.m.
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lmao, what is Chychrun doing?


Forcing a trade lul
 
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