Columbus loves Boone Jenner, and he’s on a very team friendly contract. There isn’t another team in the league that wouldn’t want to get him if they could. But that trade would be exceptionally costly for both reasons. I don’t know if Pittsburgh has a top prospect Columbus would want in addition to at least one first round pick to make that happen.

Mang is quite beloved in Calgary. He's a good player, I'm not a fan of his cap hit. We have lot's of younger players who play similarly (not quite as good).

2nd plus in my mind. He's pretty useful, plays top line or shutdown line. Conroy might really value that stability and utility.

Everythings for sale for the right price.

Pretty unlikely Mange is available this year, especially if they want retention but next year he absolutely could be

oof, yeah no disrespect to Jenner, but that is a steep offer. I do understand why they'd want that given contract/capt but could get someone with similar production for a 2nd probably.

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He looked good tonight, if he stays consistent and finds success with Lindholm, I'm more than happy to keep him around.

Out of the 3, their best bet is probably Crouse, but I think the ask would be ridiculous just like the initial demands for Chychrun. As Tjm220 alluded to, the Pens don't exactly have a great prospect pool but maybe teams would rather have multiple 1sts anyway considering that the PENS have an aging core. I don't think that Dubas would move both 2025 and 2026 1st for one player, especially not Crouse but I suspect that would be the ask at the least. Maybe ARZ would want Pickering as Armstrong seems to be interested in big players. If they value Pickering as a 1st, then Pickering + 2025 1st + a 2026 2nd maybe.

Damn, you can get a top 20 goal scorer in the league for a 2nd?

AZ is not trading crouse unless its a huge huge overpay - like a young top pair D

No our prospect pool is bad lol, that's nothing new.

Personally wouldn't give multiple 1st for Crouse, good player, not worth that though.

I could see dubas using a 1st in a trade, but would have to be the right person.

I'm assuming the pens won't make the playoffs again either so I'd rather keep him

He's having a nice start to the season no doubt, but he's never posted 50+ points in a season, plus being 30 to me he's not worth a 1st + a top prospect. Chychurn went for a 1st and two 2nd's and he's 5 years younger and a top pair D under a good contract.

Just not worth that at the end of the day looking at the value other teams have gotten out of spending a first round pick the last few years.

No probably Mange. Crouse is like borderline untouchable in Arizona

Generally speaking, yes but I agree with you that Mangiapane probably doesn't get traded this year. Conroy will probably be too busy trying to trade and/or sign his UFAs. Maybe, I underestimated the amount that ARZ would want (maybe 3+ 1st exactly like Chychrun at the start) but I think if they get an overpay they would consider it, especially if it's true they are trying to acquire Hanifin since they will look to sign him to a long-term deal. They would have to replace Crouse in the lineup, maybe with a rental but perhaps they can grab Dube as well from CGY. In terms of the long-term effects of trading Crouse, I think Gauthier isn't too far off in being able to replace Crouse in terms of his top-6 role, and in terms of player type, they may have Daniil But in 3-years.

My understanding with Crouse is that he loves playing in Arizona and they love him. Chychrun requested a trade. I think it would take a pretty big overpayment for them to even considering

I agree that these are the type of players we need, but I don't think it's worth it for us. Would require us giving up a ton. I think the team might be sellers at the deadline and rebuild end of season. And if we are truly that close to a rebuild it's not worth giving up picks. When you overhaul the roster completely and it still has the exact same issues as last year that means that either the coach needs removed or our days of contending are over. Or it could mean both. They're not going to fire Sullivan and if they do it might be too late.

I’ve seen enough with this group that I’m confident we are missing the playoffs again and it’s not worth the price to go after players like the ones you mentioned.

We are at the stage of pretending to contend. If the owners don’t get real soon we will look like SJ in a few seasons.

I agree. I do think Dubas will not hesitate to rebuild though. Got the sense he was giving it one last shot, seeing what happened, and then rebuild if it doesn't work out.

Boone is more valuable to the Jackets than any other team. He's the captain, was drafted by and has played his whole career in Columbus, took a discount to stay in Columbus, and currently holds the franchise games-played record. There isn't and hasn't been another player that embodies the city and the team more than him. They're clearly not the same caliber player, but you might as well have created an ACGM as Columbus and asked what the price is for Crosby.

As I said to TJM above, I totally understand why Columbus would want that return. Completely get it.

My comment to dk325 was purely based around stat lines in response to his comment.

I don't think the pens are sellers at the deadline for a few reasons.

Outside of Jake and Ned they don't have any UFAs that could be flipped for a return at TDL. (could maybe throw in guys like Z and Vinnie, DOC and Nieto but don't believe they'd bring much back). Maybe you can move Acciari...?

Eller could be easy to move give he doesn't carry an NTC/NMC.

Everyone else will be much more difficult given age/contract and how tight the cap is across the league right now. Rust, graves, jarry rakell, much much more difficult to move and most likely impossible.

I can agree on spending 1st's might be out of the question, but Dubas making deals in the offseason for Smith and Karlsson to me signifies he's not going to give up on the core. If they go full rebuild they have nothing at all, no prospects to play, no 1st next year. I think they'll want to attempt to contend this year and next as Sid becomes a UFA after next season. They're still a top 5 team in 5v5 expected xgoals. They need to fix the powerplay.

-0/2 vs sabres on PP, lost by 1
-0/5 vs Rags on PP, lost by 1
2/7 vs Ducks on PP, lost by 1

The PP should not be this brutal given the talent they can roll out.

2nd and last in the Metro is split by 6 points... its a very very tight division right now.

They're not going to give up yet, specially with yet again how well Sid is playing.

At that point maybe they can then have guys like Yager, Pickering, Pieniniemi, Blomqvist, (maybe Broz) all up in the league

I don't think the moves Dubas made signify that he is going all in past this year though. I think that is his hope, but he also said in the press conference that if the season goes south you have to be able to adjust your strategy at the deadline. To me I think his plan sounded like go all in this year then re-evaluate on a year by year basis. I could be wrong and none of us really know for sure.

I think Guentzel being traded is what selling would look like. If we are more than 5 points out of a playoff spot by time the TDL rolls around I would sell personally. Don't think we will give him a long term contract and at that point we don't want to lose him for nothing.

PP is a big problem, but it is not the only one. Roster is older, they don't play team defense, the team struggles to hold leads, we have no net front presence or a Hornqvist type player, etc. I just can't envision us contending, the roster is significantly better than last year but the team has an even worse record than we did at that point. To me that is worrying when it comes to an overall decline. I could be wrong, certainly hope I am.

I don't know honestly, I believe they do. Smith is UFA the same time as Sid, you don't go out and get EK if you're not serious about going for it this season and next. We all know as long as Sid is playing at a high level the goal will be to go for it.

Agree on Jake, if he's having a strong season at the deadline he should fetch a really solid return.

I assume he figured EK would = more offense to the bottom six forwards. I bickered all summer because as great of a player as EK is, I believe the penguins could've made a much stronger bottom six by keeping Petry and moving rutta/Desmith/Granlund (buyout). I'm still not out on the team, and specifically with how aggressive Dubas has been in the past with the leafs.

Pens are 4th in team SV% behind Vegas/NYR/Boston, added to top 5 in 5v5 Xgoals. They clearly are showing positive signs.

I think a coaching change comes soon, I think Reirden goes potentially after the game tonight, and I think Dubas makes a trade in the next month.

Agree on net front presence big time hence this AGM I made as I find these guys to be pretty good Net front players.

Seems like we agree mostly, but I am just more skeptical on their ability to still contend. If they do they need to get a major impact player at deadline that is a Hornqvist type. I loved the EK trade and think we needed it for our transition game, but we still have a lot of problems remaining. And we need to completely change our system. It will work against some of the slower teams, even good slower teams, but come playoff time we will be overwhelmed by metro. It's so fast which is why were back against metro teams. We need to completely slow it down and incorporate a trap when we need to hold a lead. We can't play fast the entire game, which is why I think we run out of steam a lot in the 3rd. Structure is what will win it for us not speed.

Would definitely love a Hornqvist like player, just don't know how they manage to get that done unless Rakell stays out.

If you haven't already, read the article Jesse Marshall wrote in the athletic a week or so ago. Talked about how Sullivan did implement system changes after about the 10th game this season.

I do think solving the PP will be a massive advantage if the 5v5 and goaltending keep current pace. They've beat some good teams this year, it's there they just need to iron things out.