NSH totally takes that

I wholeheartedly believe Hawks accept!

Seriously? Rosen is a very good prospect, but Hawks aren't trading Murphy to get him. He's another high end, but under 6' forward. Greenway is a cap dump at this point, and Kisakov isn't a good enough prospect to cover dumping Greenway. And Buffalo is likely getting the better pick too. I wholeheartedly believe the Hawks decline.

Murphy blows this year. We'd be lucky for anyone to offer us a Rosen equivalent for him.

I'm really high on Rosen. Greenway gives the middle 6 a big body that this team sorely lacks. Kisakov (who's no slouch) gives this team a countryman for Kantserov when he's ready to come over. The OP isn't asking for retention which lowers Murphy's value slightly. I see this a win-win for both teams while still keeping this team's future in mind.

Murphy has been babysitting Korchinski and Phillips for most of the season. Korchinski is TOTALLY lost in the Hawks defensive zone. I get Kirch is a 19 y.o. rookie. But he is out of position repeatedly, doesn't block shots or hit anybody. Makes it tough for Murphy to play well when he's trying to cover both sides of the crease by himself. Murphy isn't as bad as his underlying numbers indicate the past two years. He needs a stable D partner who isn't a trainwreck when it comes to actually playing some D.

As for Rosen, yeah, he's a good prospect. But does adding yet another sub 6' guy who's only suited to play in your top 6 really make sense? Hawks have Bedard, Nazar, Moore, Reichel, Kantserov and Ludwinski in that mold already. They need some bigger body guys for their top 6 if they hope to have any success in the playoffs down the road.

Those are 3 trades the Sabres would not and should not make. 1 year of Saros does not cost a A+ prospect, unprotected 1st, a B prospect, and UPL (who would be a good goalie with any other D core in front of him). Murphy is an alright defenseman but wouldn't cost a A prospect, B prospect, solid 2-way forward and a pick. I'd peg his value at a B prospect and a 2nd personally. If we were to move on from Jokiharju (which I'm good with) we should be looking to acquire a solid bottom 6 forward or a D prospect

Well guess we disagree. I like Rosen too. But not as much as I did before we drafted Bedard, Moore, Kantserov and Lardis in the 2023 draft. All sub 6' forwards. It's the same as the LD situation. How many sub 6' forwards can you play at the same time?

Greenway is a big body who adds nothing the Hawks don't already have. He's not a goal scorer. Not even particularly good offensively. Sound familiar? I'd rather re-sign Foligno.

Ilya Safonov can be a buddy for Kantserov. 6'4" physical C who's offensive game has continued to improve. Seems like an ideal 3rd or 4th line C for the Hawks. Kisakov is yet another small F. Again, how many of them do you want?

I disagree with that. Murphy has been totally lost in the defensive zone this year, aside from the shenanigans whoever he has been paired with has been up to. Some completely inexcusable turnovers, bad gaps, and losing his guy behind the net at times has soured me on him.

As for Rosen, I agree that we have a few guys who seem to fit the same mold. However, Ludwinski and Kantserov are longshots for top 6 roles, and Nazar and Moore are both really in their first full year of being the primary producer on their own teams, so it is yet to be determined on how successful they will actually be. Rosen had last year of decent production and is now at a PPG pace in the AHL. He's closer to being an actual *guy* than anyone else we have not in the NHL. Getting a future asset for Murph, who at this point won't be a top 4 defenseman by the time we are contending again is a win regardless of whatever else goes on in the trade

Solid points on Rosen! But yeah, we disagree.

Couldn’t agree more!
@SadSabres90 with some pretty massive overpays here
Bad trade ideas, really bad actually

Sabres get crushed in every deal here. Adams isn't doing anything like this, he likes his players. The values here are ridiculous, even the jokiharju deal (I'm not a fan of his mind you), if that's all you can get for him, you keep him for depth until he can be moved with something else to get something we need.

Murphy is on the backside of his career. Still has some game and can contribute, but a good trade piece Hawks will move. Rosen, while smaller, has a ton of speed and crafty hands. In todays modern NHL, teams with players of the nature are in the the top of the league. Hawks need a player like Greenway, especially with young, smaller fowards needing space and protection. Kisakov is a better prospect than we have seen. Guy has nasty mits and hockey IQ. Dealt with some injuries but is now getting more AHL playing time.

Murphy is a casualty of bad defensive partners and young/inexperienced forwards in front of him. Murphy still has plenty of game. Past trades of defenseman of Murphys age and caliber tend to get very good returns.

Sabres will need to overpay to address the goaltending void they have. UPL has shown flashes of being a good NHL goalie, but he still gives up to many bad angle goals, gets beat with a slow glove and still struggles with positioning. The Sabres cannot waste the young core they have waiting for a goalie to emerge. If the Sabres trade for Saros, he will not be a 1 year rental. I think Adams would sign Saros to a 3-4 year deal and pair him with Levi for the next half decade. To get Saros and re-sign the Sabres will need to pay.

Based on what 30 year old right shot defenseman with size and skating ability plus veteran leadership have fetched the last few years, sending a, A prospect, B prospect, mid round pick and a unproven russian talent is not an overpay. Especially with the void he fills on the Sabres defense and him being a perfect partner for Power or Johnson. Also the Sabres are going to need to trade some prospects given they will not have room for them all in the coming 1-3 years. Definitely think Kulich, Ostlund, Wahlberg, Neuchev all bring something the Sabres need and Rosen is expendable at this point.

Sabres can address bottom 6 in free agency or with Brett Murray or Rousek from Rochester. Joki could fetch a solid 3rd, which can be used to draft a D prospect. Sabres truly have no openings on the D end for the next 3-5 seasons.

The Sabres will need to overpay for what they need. If you trade for Saros, Adams definitely resigns him. Murphy is a 6'4 right shot, good skating, physical defenseman, which over the past 5 years fetches very good returns. Sabres also have the ability to overpay given their Top 9 is pretty much set for the next 3-5 seasons. Kulich is a better prospect and more NHL ready than Savoie or Rosen. At this point Savoie and Rosen are expendable with the emergence of Quinn, Peterka, Benson having a lock on spots for many years to come. Sabres are trading from a place of strength and addressing areas of weakness.

Find me a spot on the Sabres roster in 24-25 season, 25-26 season where you can pencil in Savoie or Rosen. Kulich is the better prospect of those 3 and will be held onto. With Benson, Peterka, Quinn solidifying spots and continuing to grow, Mittlestadt being resigned, the Sabres essentially need to move them to address areas of weakness.

Just bc we have “extra” assets, it doesn’t mean we should give them away

And signing Saros into his late 30s (he’s gonna demand a long term deal) would be stupid on Adams part

Also, Murphy isn’t having a good season- AT ALL-
and he’s the last guy we should overpay for- ESPECIALLY
if that’s the cost

@SadSabres90 doesn’t wanna listen to reason
Oh well

Merry Xmas dude

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