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What is the cost of moving up in the draft this year

Created by: KentMcNally
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 16, 2024
Published: Jan. 16, 2024
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I would like Montreal to get one of the forwards who I think are in the upper tier of the draft this year (Celebrini, Eiserman, Demidov or Lindstrom) to fit in to the roster they are building.

What would Montreal have to give up to move up to #3 or #4, assuming Montreal finishes at 8th from the bottom this year and the draft order is:
1. San Jose
2. Chicago
3. Anaheim
4. Columbus
5. Ottawa
6. Minnesota
7. Buffalo
8. Montreal

I hope to get decent feedback and not just negativity, but we will see.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2024 1st round pick (ANA)
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#3 overall this year
ANA
  1. Beck, Owen
  2. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
  3. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
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# 8 overall this year
2.
MTL
  1. 2024 1st round pick (CBJ)
Additional Details:
Columbus at # 4
CBJ
    Montreal's #8 overall pick in 2024
    Montreal's pick in 2026 (which is hopefully not a high pick because Montreal has a much better team by then)

    + Calgary 2025 first round pick

    + Jayden Struble
    3.
    MTL
    1. 2024 1st round pick (OTT)
    Additional Details:
    Ottawa at #5
    OTT
      Montreal's 2024 pick at #8

      Calgary 2025 first round pick
      4.
      MTL
      1. 2024 1st round pick (MIN)
      Additional Details:
      Pick # 6
      MIN
        Montreal 2024 first round pick at # 8

        + Justin Barron
        + Colorado 2nd round pick in 2024
        5.
        MTL
        1. 2024 1st round pick (BUF)
        Additional Details:
        Buffalo Pick at # 7
        BUF
          Montreal pick at # 8

          + Colorado 2nd round pick in 2024
          + Sean Farrell

          (assuming that one of Eiserman or Demidov or Lindstrom is still available here for some reason)
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          Jan. 16 at 1:17 p.m.
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          Not a chance ottawa is moving down from Parekh or Levshunov
          Jan. 16 at 1:17 p.m.
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          Buffalo is probably the best option, maybe Ottawa too. Both have tons of prospects theyre more likely to go best available player, getting more assets to move a few spots back, why not
          Jan. 16 at 1:17 p.m.
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          Not from us, Chief!

          Cole Eiserman, you are an Anaheim Duck
          Jan. 16 at 1:20 p.m.
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          The jackets are a rebuilding team, really doubt they would be interested in trading the pick at all. If we did trade it, it would have to include a young player that has top6 potential or is currently a top6 player. So probably would have to include Slaf, Dach, or someone like that. Depending on the player would determine what would need to be added to get a deal done. But i said we shouldnt be interested in moving it for anything short than a crazy overpay cause we are bad and should keep the top4 pick.
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          Jan. 16 at 1:20 p.m.
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          It never happens and it aint worth it this season.
          Jan. 16 at 1:25 p.m.
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          Quoting: csick
          Not a chance ottawa is moving down from Parekh or Levshunov


          Do you not think that Levshunov is likely gone before #5 and that there is a good possibility that Parekh is still available at #8 though??

          I could see the Order being (1) Celebrini (2) Levshunov (3) Eiserman (4) Demidov (5) Lindstrom (6) Dickinson/Silayev (7) Helenius (or any of the previous) and (8) Parekh/Catton/Buium.
          If Ottawa has its heart set on getting a right shot defenceman and they cannot get Levshunov, then wouldn't they add another first round pick and take Parekh at #8 (especially if they somehow know that Montreal is going with a forward at #5)?
          Jan. 16 at 1:27 p.m.
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          Quoting: GeneralLandro
          Not from us, Chief!

          Cole Eiserman, you are an Anaheim Duck


          If Esierman goes # 2 and Anaheim is at #3 who do you think they should target, Levshunov or one of the forwards?
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          Jan. 16 at 1:36 p.m.
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          Quoting: KentMcNally
          Do you not think that Levshunov is likely gone before #5 and that there is a good possibility that Parekh is still available at #8 though??

          I could see the Order being (1) Celebrini (2) Levshunov (3) Eiserman (4) Demidov (5) Lindstrom (6) Dickinson/Silayev (7) Helenius (or any of the previous) and (8) Parekh/Catton/Buium.
          If Ottawa has its heart set on getting a right shot defenceman and they cannot get Levshunov, then wouldn't they add another first round pick and take Parekh at #8 (especially if they somehow know that Montreal is going with a forward at #5)?


          There’s a likelihood at team reaches on Parekh at 5-8
          Jan. 16 at 1:41 p.m.
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          Quoting: csick
          There’s a likelihood at team reaches on Parekh at 5-8


          That's fair. If Ottawa won't do it because of that possibility then that is obviously up to them. As an additional comment, I will remind you that Jiricek would still likely be available at #8 if Parekh is gone, but I could see why Parekh is more (quite a bit more???) desirable than Jiricek. The offensive upside of Parekh is intriguing for the Senators.
          Jan. 16 at 1:42 p.m.
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          Quoting: BoomerTheHero
          The jackets are a rebuilding team, really doubt they would be interested in trading the pick at all. If we did trade it, it would have to include a young player that has top6 potential or is currently a top6 player. So probably would have to include Slaf, Dach, or someone like that. Depending on the player would determine what would need to be added to get a deal done. But i said we shouldnt be interested in moving it for anything short than a crazy overpay cause we are bad and should keep the top4 pick.


          I don't know, I'm listening if they include Calgary's 2025 first, provided the trade occurs after the lottery slots are set. This draft class isn't like last year where there was a clear top three. It's a clear top prospect then 2-8 are all up in the air. If Columbus doesn't win Celebrini, I'm definitely entertaining a trade down within the top 10.
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          Jan. 16 at 1:50 p.m.
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          Quoting: squashmaple
          I don't know, I'm listening if they include Calgary's 2025 first, provided the trade occurs after the lottery slots are set. This draft class isn't like last year where there was a clear top three. It's a clear top prospect then 2-8 are all up in the air. If Columbus doesn't win Celebrini, I'm definitely entertaining a trade down within the top 10.


          yeah i get that, but we have a strong prospect pool, we are much better off adding quality over quantity. We would be banking on Calgary or MTL's picks giving us better quality of a player than the #4 pick this year. Its possible, but a gamble
          Jan. 16 at 1:56 p.m.
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          Quoting: BoomerTheHero
          yeah i get that, but we have a strong prospect pool, we are much better off adding quality over quantity. We would be banking on Calgary or MTL's picks giving us better quality of a player than the #4 pick this year. Its possible, but a gamble


          Do you think Columbus will/should target a forward or a defenceman at the draft at #4?
          Jan. 16 at 2:06 p.m.
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          Quoting: KentMcNally
          Do you think Columbus will/should target a forward or a defenceman at the draft at #4?


          They should take the best player available, drafting for position is a terrible strategy
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          Jan. 16 at 2:07 p.m.
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          chances are one of these foward will be available at #8. many of the teams.above need a dman, so if 3 of those picks one (which is very likely) you can get one of demidov, eiserman or lindstrom.
          Jan. 16 at 2:13 p.m.
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          Jackets would want to trade up not down if anything. If they trade their pick it would be for a young player/prospect.
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          Jan. 16 at 2:14 p.m.
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          Quoting: squashmaple
          I don't know, I'm listening if they include Calgary's 2025 first, provided the trade occurs after the lottery slots are set. This draft class isn't like last year where there was a clear top three. It's a clear top prospect then 2-8 are all up in the air. If Columbus doesn't win Celebrini, I'm definitely entertaining a trade down within the top 10.


          Doesn’t that Calgary pick have a ton of conditions on it?
          Jan. 16 at 2:33 p.m.
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          Quoting: drambui
          chances are one of these foward will be available at #8. many of the teams.above need a dman, so if 3 of those picks one (which is very likely) you can get one of demidov, eiserman or lindstrom.


          How do you see the draft breaking down from #1 to #8?
          Jan. 16 at 2:34 p.m.
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          The only way it realistically happens is on the draft floor if the guy a team wanted got picked earlier, and they either didn't have a backup, or the next guy the want is expected to go lower.

          Since Anaheims only need is top talent, the likelihood of us moving the pick is effectively nil.
          Jan. 16 at 2:42 p.m.
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          Quoting: GiggywithGibby
          The only way it realistically happens is on the draft floor if the guy a team wanted got picked earlier, and they either didn't have a backup, or the next guy the want is expected to go lower.

          Since Anaheims only need is top talent, the likelihood of us moving the pick is effectively nil.


          I agree it would likely have to happen on the floor.

          I would also be surprised if a team at #3 moved from that to #8 (I think that #5 or # 6 is where a real possible move could happen), but I was wondering what the specific ask would be from Montreal for such a move.
          Jan. 16 at 2:46 p.m.
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          Quoting: KentMcNally
          I agree it would likely have to happen on the floor.

          I would also be surprised if a team at #3 moved from that to #8 (I think that #5 or # 6 is where a real possible move could happen), but I was wondering what the specific ask would be from Montreal for such a move.


          I'd love to give you an answer to that, but it's all dependant on where the prospects end up by the time the draft rolls around. I can tell you the interested players I think Verbeek would target are Leshunov (if his defensive game improves), Brandsegg-Nygard, and Cayden Lindstrom. Maybe Zayne Parekh, as he wants Mintyukovs running mate in Saginaw.
          Jan. 16 at 2:59 p.m.
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          Quoting: BoomerTheHero
          yeah i get that, but we have a strong prospect pool, we are much better off adding quality over quantity. We would be banking on Calgary or MTL's picks giving us better quality of a player than the #4 pick this year. Its possible, but a gamble


          I think the difference between whoever is available at 4 and who's available at 8 is so negligible this year that I'd absolutely take the trade to get the other asset, too. It can always be flipped for something else like LA's 23 was flipped as part of the Provorov trade. Especially if there's a new GM and he's looking to make a splash.

          Editing to add: and because Columbus has the benefit of not having an obvious need of either F or D with its existing pool, they can take the risk that one of those top players happens to fall if other teams in the top 8 do happen to focus on F or D. Might get very lucky and end up with the player they would've taken at 4 at 8 anyway.
          Jan. 16 at 3:00 p.m.
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          Quoting: KentMcNally
          How do you see the draft breaking down from #1 to #8?


          i think we end up closer to # 6 than 8. i think the main guys gone by then will be levshunov, celebrini, lindstrom one of buium or dickenson. that leaves one of eiserman or demidov for us. i could see even another dman being taken. once we know the draft orders and how the deadline go, it will be easier to see the big pictures. its a heavy dman draft this year.
          Jan. 16 at 3:07 p.m.
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          I can assure you, if Eiserman is on the board, the Ducks will not be trading that pick
          Jan. 16 at 3:36 p.m.
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          Quoting: KentMcNally
          Do you not think that Levshunov is likely gone before #5 and that there is a good possibility that Parekh is still available at #8 though??

          I could see the Order being (1) Celebrini (2) Levshunov (3) Eiserman (4) Demidov (5) Lindstrom (6) Dickinson/Silayev (7) Helenius (or any of the previous) and (8) Parekh/Catton/Buium.
          If Ottawa has its heart set on getting a right shot defenceman and they cannot get Levshunov, then wouldn't they add another first round pick and take Parekh at #8 (especially if they somehow know that Montreal is going with a forward at #5)?


          Eiserman is going 2nd. No if's, and's, or but's.
          Jan. 16 at 3:37 p.m.
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          Quoting: GeneralLandro
          Not from us, Chief!

          Cole Eiserman, you are an Anaheim Duck


          Only if the lottery agrees with you.
           
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