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The Sens are not getting back what they paid for Chychrun

Created by: csick
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 23, 2024
Published: Feb. 23, 2024
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    Well DUH they gave up a pick that was either Zack Benson or Danil But on the board. And no one is gonna give up a prospect as good as that . Plus they gave up 2 2nds.
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    1. Bourque, Mavrik
    2. Kyrou, Christian
    3. 2024 1st round pick (DAL)
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    1. Chychrun, Jakob
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    I mean id take this package it’s good but no way am I ever trading But or Benson for this package . So its a step down from what they paid
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    Feb. 23 at 5:08 p.m.
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    Honestly idk if you'd even get this package for Chychrun. Mavrik Borque is a pretty great prospect, I'm not sure how easily Dallas would give him up
    Feb. 23 at 5:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: mk458
    Honestly idk if you'd even get this package for Chychrun. Mavrik Borque is a pretty great prospect, I'm not sure how easily Dallas would give him up


    Still not as valuable as a 12th overall pick with But or Benson on the board. I’d rather they go for a hockey trade personally but I don’t mind this trade. Gives us more ammo for Saros
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    Feb. 23 at 5:16 p.m.
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    Montreal once paid a 4th for Scandella and then traded him to the Blues a month later for a 2nd + a 4th.

    Never say never.
    Feb. 23 at 5:35 p.m.
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    First of all, you'd also need to take back a small-ish cap hit from Dallas to complete this. Aside from that jazz, I think the main reason Chych's value is deflating a little is because the Sens shelter him quite a bit in matchups. It's not working the way they'd hoped, and it's making him look like a 2nd pairing guy more than a 1st pairing guy.
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    Feb. 23 at 5:36 p.m.
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    Yea, but they still should get something nice back

    Hes 25 is on a nice deal, has 1 more year

    Team I could see = VGK
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    Feb. 23 at 5:36 p.m.
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    Bourque > But
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    Feb. 23 at 5:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    First of all, you'd also need to take back a small-ish cap hit from Dallas to complete this. Aside from that jazz, I think the main reason Chych's value is deflating a little is because the Sens shelter him quite a bit in matchups. It's not working the way they'd hoped, and it's making him look like a 2nd pairing guy more than a 1st pairing guy.


    Idk if they shelter him , as it’s more that Sanderson-Zub take all the tough matchups
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    Feb. 23 at 5:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    Bourque > But


    God no
    Feb. 23 at 5:38 p.m.
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    Yea, but they still should get something nice back

    Hes 25 is on a nice deal, has 1 more year

    Team I could see = VGK


    Not sure what Vegas could give up that’s valuable besides B prospects and late 1sts . Although pieces like Roy , Whitecloud, Thompson could be nice
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    Feb. 23 at 5:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: csick
    Idk if they shelter him , as it’s more that Sanderson-Zub take all the tough matchups


    Heh. Yeah, instead of Chych. He played all the tough minutes in Arizona. Since arriving in Ottawa, his competition is almost exactly mid. Decimal points above it. It's a problem if they have to sell him.
    Feb. 23 at 5:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: csick
    Not sure what Vegas could give up that’s valuable besides B prospects and late 1sts . Although pieces like Roy , Whitecloud, Thompson could be nice


    I'd be interested in something around a late 1st and Whitecloud
    Feb. 23 at 5:46 p.m.
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    Quoting: csick
    God no


    Bourque is one of the top players in the ahl this season. He is simply elite.

    But is mid in the khl
    Feb. 23 at 5:59 p.m.
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    Quoting: csick
    Not sure what Vegas could give up that’s valuable besides B prospects and late 1sts . Although pieces like Roy , Whitecloud, Thompson could be nice


    VGK got some nice prospects like Kaedan Korczak, Lukas Cormier, David Edstrom
    Feb. 23 at 6:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: aadoyle
    Yea, but they still should get something nice back

    Hes 25 is on a nice deal, has 1 more year

    Team I could see = VGK


    Vegas has a pretty deep defense, I don't see Chychrun as a need or fit for the Knights, he is a need for Dallas who needs another top 4 dman, not sure the Stars give Bourque for him though.
    Feb. 23 at 6:41 p.m.
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    Vegas has a pretty deep defense, I don't see Chychrun as a need or fit for the Knights, he is a need for Dallas who needs another top 4 dman, not sure the Stars give Bourque for him though.


    VGK were apparently looking to move Martinez. And given the age it makes sense. Include him to make salary work and VGK Dcore =

    McNabb-Theodore
    Chycrun-Pietrangelo
    Hague-Whitecloud
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    Feb. 23 at 6:43 p.m.
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    When I look at the Dallas trade, I have to think about what Dallas needs. Harley - Miro is a great pair, but there is a need for either a player to help balance a pair with Nils or a player to hold things down defensively (or both). I’m not sure Chychrun (though I like him) is the guy. Also, I see Bourque playing in Dallas next season (maybe on the same line as Stankoven). I wouldn’t pay this ask for Chychrun.
    Feb. 23 at 7:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    Bourque is one of the top players in the ahl this season. He is simply elite.

    But is mid in the khl


    Bourque is having a great year, But is the 8th highest scoring forward on Lokomotiv, he averages 9 minutes a night. Both prospects are looking great, But is certainly anything but mid this year in the KHL
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    Feb. 23 at 8:02 p.m.
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    two c prospects and a late first dont get chych
    Feb. 23 at 8:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: aadoyle
    VGK were apparently looking to move Martinez. And given the age it makes sense. Include him to make salary work and VGK Dcore =

    McNabb-Theodore
    Chycrun-Pietrangelo
    Hague-Whitecloud


    I never heard anything about them wanting to move Martinez, guess I can see it now, Martinez and McNabb are on the other side of 30, need to get younger on their blueline.
    Feb. 24 at 11:37 a.m.
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    two c prospects and a late first dont get chych


    I guess you don’t give these prospects much value.
     
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