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Is this fair for Zegras Be Honest Please

Created by: SlafCaufZuki
Team: 2024-25 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 20, 2024
Published: Mar. 20, 2024
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This is assuming the Habs draft at 8th overall and that Lindstrom, Catton & Eiserman are all off the board.

I used the DeBrincat trade as a comparable, but I added some value, as IMO Zegras is worth more since he's younger and cost controlled. Additionally, I also added a little bit more value, since the Ducks would be taking on Anderson's contract. While I do think Anderson isn't worth much of anything at all, I don't think he has extreme negative value since 1) hes the type of player Verbeek likes; 2) He helps the Ducks reach the cap floor; 3) He fits in nicely on their forward core as they need another speedy, physical winger and 4) Anderson had decent trade value across the league not too long ago.
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3$875,000
3$875,000
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1$800,000
1$800,000
1$800,000
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5$2,750,000
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  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Barron, Justin [RFA Rights]
  3. Ylönen, Jesse [RFA Rights]
  4. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (COL)
  6. 2025 3rd round pick (VAN)
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2024
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23$87,500,000$72,638,750$1,022,500$3,977,500$14,861,250
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C
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Mar. 20 at 10:07 a.m.
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zegras aint worth a top 10 pick
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Mar. 20 at 10:13 a.m.
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Ducks fans will gonna said it's a good offer.

Habs fans will gonna said that's too much.


BUT, I think Anaheim will gonna want minimum quality element in a return for Zegras, and if our 2024 1st round pick is in the 8th-9th overall range, we can make that deal.

Don't forget that Zegras have a back-to-back more than 60pts season, imagine if he hit the 80pts mark with CC22.......
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Mar. 20 at 10:17 a.m.
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Quoting: athrin
zegras aint worth a top 10 pick


Montreal fans seem to this obsession with Zebras.
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Mar. 20 at 10:33 a.m.
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If any Zegras trade materializes I don't think they would need to take on a bad contract like Anderson for a valued asset. Who is available when the Habs pick comes along will dictate if a deal makes sense for both sides. If Habs pick 8 and their targets are off the board I could see a 8OA + 2nd or D prospect working. While the Ducks have a deep D prospect system, I could see them looking to add proven young talent to the blueline like a Harris/Struble as not all of Zellweger, Luneau, etc will likely hit their potential. I can't see the logic for the Ducks in taking on Anderson and Ylonen as a part of this package. Ylonen seems like he is destined for waivers next year and Anderson has been one of the least effective forwards on a bottom 8 team on a long-term deal. Assuming the deal is based around Zegras for MTL 1st/COL 2nd, then I don't see Anderson for Ylonen/Barron and a 3rd being nearly enough to get off that contract. Barron, while still having potential is about a year away from being traded for another project if he can't figure out the defensive side of the puck
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Mar. 20 at 10:41 a.m.
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Quoting: athrin
zegras aint worth a top 10 pick


Quoting: palhal
Montreal fans seem to this obsession with Zebras.


Stop overvaluing draft pick just because it’s labelled as a top 10 pick. The 24’ draft is incredibly weak. The top 5 is good, 5-10 is slightly above average, and after that it falls off quite a bit. Zegras is ABSOLUTELY worth a top 10 pick in this draft, heck arguably worth a top 5 pick (outside of Celebrini).

As for this offer( it’s not enough. Not close. Moving Anderson takes at minimum the 1st and 2nd just for future considerations, so basically the offer is Barron, Ylonen and a 3rd for Zegras which isn’t even in the same city let alone ballpark for a deal.

Whether you like Zegras or not, he’s still a top 6 centre with potential to become an elite offensive 1C. Those are very hard to find and generally you draft one and keep them. So if one was available on the trade market, it’s going to cost you a premium. Think quality over quantity. Anaheim is in a bit of a weird stage where they’re not tearing it down for the rebuild but they’re acquiring assets to move the rebuild along. So best case scenario it’s a 1-for-1 swap of another guy struggling at a different position - but the more likely option is a young roster player with upside, a 1st round pick in the 15-32 range, and another prospect at a position that Anaheim would need.

From Montreal, that package is likely:
1. Either straight up Zegras for Slafkovsky
2. A package of Guhle + WPG 24’ 1st round pick + Beck (or similar prospect at different position)
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Mar. 20 at 10:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Ryminister_92
Stop overvaluing draft pick just because it’s labelled as a top 10 pick. The 24’ draft is incredibly weak. The top 5 is good, 5-10 is slightly above average, and after that it falls off quite a bit. Zegras is ABSOLUTELY worth a top 10 pick in this draft, heck arguably worth a top 5 pick (outside of Celebrini).

As for this offer( it’s not enough. Not close. Moving Anderson takes at minimum the 1st and 2nd just for future considerations, so basically the offer is Barron, Ylonen and a 3rd for Zegras which isn’t even in the same city let alone ballpark for a deal.

Whether you like Zegras or not, he’s still a top 6 centre with potential to become an elite offensive 1C. Those are very hard to find and generally you draft one and keep them. So if one was available on the trade market, it’s going to cost you a premium. Think quality over quantity. Anaheim is in a bit of a weird stage where they’re not tearing it down for the rebuild but they’re acquiring assets to move the rebuild along. So best case scenario it’s a 1-for-1 swap of another guy struggling at a different position - but the more likely option is a young roster player with upside, a 1st round pick in the 15-32 range, and another prospect at a position that Anaheim would need.

From Montreal, that package is likely:
1. Either straight up Zegras for Slafkovsky
2. A package of Guhle + WPG 24’ 1st round pick + Beck (or similar prospect at different position)


personally, I wouldn't trade Guhle for Zegras 1 for 1. Guhle is the only guarantee going forward on our blueline, for a we know every prospect in our system could bust, I wouldn't trade the only one that's proven to be a top 4 defenseman for a forward when our forward core is currently stronger than our defense
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Mar. 20 at 11:13 a.m.
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Attaching Anderson to the trade undermines it very much. Anaheim will justifiably want more to take that problem off your hands. Remove Anderson and a trade of Zegras for Montreal's first (this is assuming draft day and that the lottery has occurred) plus at least one RHD prospect and a second is ballpark fair, although I think multiple other teams can and would probably outbid that.
Mar. 20 at 11:29 a.m.
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I think that for a Zegras trade to occur, it would require some specific combination of events. One scenario is that the Ducks win the Celebrini sweeps, which makes a Zegras trade much more appealing, and a RhD prospect like Zayne Parekh is high on Anaheim's draft board. Or the Ducks draft Arty Levshunov and they like a RW like Hemming or Nygard that early. (I think that they stay away from Demidov.)

By the way, I don't see any way that you guys get up to #8. I think that you're locked into the 5 to 7 slot.

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Attaching Anderson to the trade undermines it very much. Anaheim will justifiably want more to take that problem off your hands. Remove Anderson and a trade of Zegras for Montreal's first (this is assuming draft day and that the lottery has occurred) plus at least one RHD prospect and a second is ballpark fair, although I think multiple other teams can and would probably outbid that.

Best response of these comments.

Note the specific reference to a RhD, not Kaiden Guhle.
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Mar. 20 at 12:51 p.m.
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I think it's a very slight overpay.

I don't think Zegras is worth a top ten pick, and generally think he's about as overrated as it gets, but i also think that the habs are going to have to pay to move that anderson contract, and pretty heavily
Mar. 20 at 1:06 p.m.
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Anaheim doesn’t want Anderson, easy as that
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Mar. 20 at 1:07 p.m.
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personally, I wouldn't trade Guhle for Zegras 1 for 1. Guhle is the only guarantee going forward on our blueline, for a we know every prospect in our system could bust, I wouldn't trade the only one that's proven to be a top 4 defenseman for a forward when our forward core is currently stronger than our defense


Not even

Absolute last thing we need // want is a LHD
Mar. 20 at 1:09 p.m.
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If any Zegras trade materializes I don't think they would need to take on a bad contract like Anderson for a valued asset. Who is available when the Habs pick comes along will dictate if a deal makes sense for both sides. If Habs pick 8 and their targets are off the board I could see a 8OA + 2nd or D prospect working. While the Ducks have a deep D prospect system, I could see them looking to add proven young talent to the blueline like a Harris/Struble as not all of Zellweger, Luneau, etc will likely hit their potential. I can't see the logic for the Ducks in taking on Anderson and Ylonen as a part of this package. Ylonen seems like he is destined for waivers next year and Anderson has been one of the least effective forwards on a bottom 8 team on a long-term deal. Assuming the deal is based around Zegras for MTL 1st/COL 2nd, then I don't see Anderson for Ylonen/Barron and a 3rd being nearly enough to get off that contract. Barron, while still having potential is about a year away from being traded for another project if he can't figure out the defensive side of the puck


The Habs arent trading Anderson as a cap dump. He's had 1 bad year. Everyone loves to cook him but none of you are Gms. Same as 95% were wrong on Monahan. They love him in Montreal and still has value around the league as a 21 goal scorer power forward last season in 69 games. Selling low on Anderson would be worse than selling low on Zegras.. Their true cap dump is Gallagher and nobody is trading for him
Mar. 20 at 1:35 p.m.
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No, including Anderson torpedoes the deal. Select one of the following.

Slafkovsky
Reinbacher + MTLs 25 2nd
MTLs 6OA pick + Beck level prospect of interest
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Mar. 20 at 5:31 p.m.
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Remove Anderson, remove the first. Then add Winnipeg’s or Calgary’s first. Then it’s fair value, and even an overpay (according to the Eichel trade)
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Remove Anderson, remove the first. Then add Winnipeg’s or Calgary’s first. Then it’s fair value, and even an overpay (according to the Eichel trade)


I really dont want Anderson traded but much like Monahan, Chiarot, Kulak, Lehkonen, etc it would be nice to see the trolls put in their place, AGAIN!

It doesnt matter what anyone here thinks as the Habs really, really like Anderson so they aint selling him for nothing but positive value so youre all wrong in this thread if you simply did the tiniest research and the pundits like Seravelli (whom also called the Monahan return) have said there are multiple GMs that love his play style.

Anderson isnt a cap dump for the PEOPLE IN THE BACK!
Mar. 20 at 6:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Andy_Dick
I really dont want Anderson traded but much like Monahan, Chiarot, Kulak, Lehkonen, etc it would be nice to see the trolls put in their place, AGAIN!

It doesnt matter what anyone here thinks as the Habs really, really like Anderson so they aint selling him for nothing but positive value so youre all wrong in this thread if you simply did the tiniest research and the pundits like Seravelli (whom also called the Monahan return) have said there are multiple GMs that love his play style.

Anderson isnt a cap dump for the PEOPLE IN THE BACK!


I mean, Anderson has been really really bad this season and nobody eould want him, but at the same time, we have like 20m in cap space next season
 
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