Loooool wtf is this

You have to start using the 2024-2025 skeleton to create your ACGM's. Max Domi and Joel Edmundson become free agents on July 1, so no team would have to trade for them.

why are the leafs trading you guys who are gonna be UFAs in the off season?
In what world is bunting worth half that?

"That's bait"

CBJ politely declined and might not pick up the phone again for them.

Y'all don't have the assets to get either of Boone or the Jackets' 1st this year, let alone both together.

Jenner + 2024 CBJ 1st for Graves + 2025 PIT 3rd + 2026 PIT 1st + Crosby.

There, I fixed it for you.

Domi is re signing in TOR sorry bruh

Why would the Avs even consider trading Colton who plays a position of need for Smith who isn't and get older and add more cap when they're already up against it? Answer - they wouldn't.

eh I don't know.
CBJ 2024 1st is probably same level as PIT 2026 1st. Maybe even better give how bad they played this year.
Depends what draft class you like better really.

at least there is some recognition here that Shane Wright should be demanding a trade out of SEA.
But why would he want to go to a team that didn't play him?

A guaranteed high 1st today is worth a hell of a lot more than a possibly high 1st 2 years from now. One is likely 1-4 years away from helping your team and the other is 3-6 years away. A team that still has Crosby on it is also never going to fully commit to tanking so I seriously doubt that pick will be higher than the 8-16 range.

This has to be bait

This all depends where these picks end. CBJ pick could very well be lower than you think. The pens pick higher than you think as 8-16 is pretty generous. They were in the 8 range already this year. If the last two weeks of the season didn't go as it did they could have finished lower than 8.
So give them 2 years of getting older, and you just don't know what you are going to get.

Again the draft class has a lot to do with it as well. Some are deeper than others. A 10 pick in one is worth more than a 6 pick in another.
Either way, the point is, my estimation of where those two picks end up aren't very far off. Pens could very well be picking top 3 in 2 years. Even with Crosby on the team.
It's not like Dubas has worked some voodoo magic to improve the team.

Getting a top 3 pick is a whole lot harder than you're giving it credit for. It's far easier to get stuck in the mushy middle and with the Pens making an effort to continue winning it's very likely that that's exactly where they'll end up. You're also continuing to ignore that adding two years of development time and a complete unknown of the draft position drops the value of that pick a significant amount. You don't get to estimate the value of a proposal off of applying the worst case scenario to one asset and the best case scenario to the other. That's not how that works.

Also, no the CBJ pick can't be lower than I think. It is guaranteed to be top 6. That's how the season being over and knowing the draft lottery positions works.

again, as I said before it depends on what you think of the two draft classes. This years draft isn't exactly deep. Is the 2026 draft deeper.
That supersedes the development time.
while you think it's hard to not finish bottom 3 really it isn't. The penguins got that part down trust me. Been there done that.
You really over value how old that team will be in 2026. Crosby 38 Malkin 39 Rust 33, Rakell 32 EK 35 Letang 38 Acciari 34
It's one thing if it's just Crosby being the old guy on the team trying to play well... but you can't float all that age. That right there spells bottom 3 team. It's not only too many players but too much cap.
Like 40% of the cap tied up in guys who are ancient by NHL standards. Teams like that don't win $#!t. not even middle of the road wins.

Regardless of where you think the Penguins will finish, there's zero chance that pick gets traded without protection. It's either a mid pick or a 2027 1st. This is a non-sense proposal that the Jackets don't consider for a second.

I never said the CBJ would consider it.
The claim was they don't have the assets.... well I disagree. That 2026 pick is just as valuable. You can't look at that aging roster and tell me they can win games. It's a nursing home out there on the ice.
teams build to be picking 1st in 2026, not to win a cup.

It is not, because of the massive time difference. The Penguins empirically do not have the assets.

A guaranteed top-6 pick this year is objectively more valuable than a 1st-rounder 2 years from now, full stop. There's nothing to argue. It could turn out great if the Penguins finish dead last and land 1OA in a great draft class. But to guarantee it's at least as valuable as a top-6 pick now, they'd have finish 4th-last or worst, in an equally strong or better draft class just to make up for the 2-year difference, and there's just too many variables for a GM to say "yes, that's likely enough that this pick is equal in value".

But even IF those picks were equal, we're supposed to send one of our most valuable players to a division rival for Graves (who is a borderline cap-dump) and a 3rd? If Dubas made that offer, he'd receive an emphatic "get f***ed" from whoever the next GM is. It's an astoundingly, insultingly, laughably bad offer.

Which means you're completely incapable of objectively assessing pick value. Nobody would take a pick that's maybe as high in a draft where you're currently trying to assess 15 year olds. It's idiotic.

honestly get over yourself.
Just come back down to reality and admit that 2026 pick is most likely same range.
And if you think people haven't already summed up drafts and make these valuations you are kidding yourself. Players apply for exceptional status at 15. Don't think no one is evaluating them. Whole drafts are pretty much wrapped up on paper years before their draft year. They are just tweeked here and there along the way.

Players rise and fall all over the draft rankings during their draft year, let alone 3 years before their draft year. There is zero equivalency between a top 6 pick in 2024 and a completely unknown 1st round pick in 2026. You have no idea what you're talking about, and that's the last I'll be hearing from you.

i never said anything on the player. I'm just pointing out the value of those two picks, are more close in value than was assumed. That's probably a top 5 pick. CBJ pick is a top 5 pick....
If you think that one drat is better than the other.....
Obviously as stated an actual pick is better than a potential pick. I have said this. but the whole thing is a hypothetical. The CBJ pick you don't know where you are picking yet.
It doesn't have to be as high as you think. And the PIT pick is probably going to be lower than most want to admit. It's a nursing home team being fielded that year with no real prospect of changing that.
You might not even see Crosby on that team by that point. You don't know. What I do know is 38 year old Crosby not going to carry the team on his back in a super human effort like it took this year to not finish 7th or 8th OA like they were headed. If they are that bad now..... how much worse you think it's getting in 2 more years.

actualy they do, people knew for years McDavid was a 1OA, same with Crosby.... down the line.
we aren't talking about predicting a whole draft. Just the top. They have their eye on those guys already.
I'm glad your done, the nonsense was getting to be too much.