A couple things Anaheim has zero interest in: 1. Any of those players you’re sending over 2. Trading Radko Gudas 3. Mid round picks for Zegras

We pass

Nothing of interest for Anaheim. We also shouldn't be trading for Zegras. You aren't getting Gudas at all.
No need for Ferraro, especially at that price.
You didn't even make the team any better yet we lost all sorts of young players and picks.

I was kinda guessing, not really a huge fan of Zegras but I love Gudas. I was going off a random article I found for a ballpark:

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/what_would_be_the_potential_trade_value_of_trevor_zegras_to_the_canadiens/s1_17203_39928766

I figured Burger + Walman > Farrell + Harris, and the picks are also comparable. From the Wing's perspective I was thinking Kane might be able to rekindle Zegras' game, but personally I wouldn't want Stevie to bet the farm on Zegras.

I was more focused on the Kane part, I read something about him wanting term, which Stevie has been averse to doing. Thanks for the feedback though!

Bro Chicago is not trading for an overpaid 38 yo Kane. In 3 years they are gonna be paying Bedard, Korchinski, plus any UFAs and prospects that pan out. They are not going on a reunion tour for 5M.

When Z was healthy at the end of the year, he was looking great. Cronin just talked about how impressed he was after coming back from the ankle and the other groin injury he had (something pubis I think it’s called. Same thing Couture had all year)

Maybe, but you also have to consider how good he's playing at that age. If he's over a point a game player, you're telling me $6M is overpaid?

You also have to factor that the cap will be pushing $100M, and Detroit could retain.

Sharks pass. Wallinder and the 2nd are fair, but they’d want another sweetener to take that Holl contract.

Agreed, I was hoping he would at least be considered a warm body for San Jose, but I 100% see where you're coming from.

Taking into account (1) Kane is still a point per game player at age 38, and (2) the cap is $100m, why are the Wings trading him? Are the Wings still not a playoff team at this point? Then maybe it would make sense I guess.

Gotta realize Zegras starts with your first child, buddy

Kane should be on 1 year deals as 35+ player with recent injury history.

I'd argue that at LD: Ferraro > Walman > Matta. At RD: Gudas > Holl. At Forward: Zegras >(?) Fabbri > Berggren. On top of that I managed to fit a long term fairly high dollar deal for Kane. We can quibble about the trade value, but I think there are some objective improvements here.

Kane is not resigning in detroit and chicago is not trading for him.

Maybe they don't, maybe he wants a trade and Detroit obliges, because they seem to be a pretty player friendly organization. Who knows, I'm just saying there are ways out of the extra term if that's what he's looking for. I think Chicago and Buffalo are 2 very reasonable destinations if he wanted out or if Detroit needed the cap/roster space.

ANA declines for so many reasons it’s a waste of time even starting to list them out

I don't think that Detroit and Anaheim are good partners for a Zegras trade. We want an impact player or prospect at RW or RD. Obviously, Raymond and Seider are too much and it feels like everyone else on the Red Wing books is too little. The only possibility I could imagine would be Sandin Pellikka plus a first-round draft pick for him.

You’re right, for big deals (such as a Zegras trade) they are not good partners. Much rather they keep a working relationship and trade minor pieces.

In saying that, no shot ASP + a 1st would be used. Both the Ducks and Wings have solid d prospects, I’m sure there is a mutual understanding on how the teams are being built.
Edvinsson-Mo
Wallinder-ASP
Walman/AJ/Buium - Tuo/Gibson/Ant

Remove ASP and the right side looks more like the current team… Seider -> cliff -> Petry/Holl/Chiarot/Ghost

I'd be curious to hear them, or at least how many.

Again, I used that article as a benchmark, and think I went above the value offered up in the article. I should also note that 2 1st round picks and a couple of good young players seems more expensive than what Chicago got for DeBrincat at a similar point in his career... I think DeBrincat was a bit more successful at that point as well.

What trade comparable do you have to justify a larger haul?

First mistake is thinking this article has any weight. Alot of these writers don't know **** about fcuk. None of the pieces mentioned in that article would likely have any interest to Anaheim other than slight add ons. Reference the Drysdale - Gauthier trade as reference. That's what Anaheim will be looking for, high end young assets not depth players and mid picks. Berggren wouldn't hold much value to them, they have other similar players, he isn't anything special. He is skilled and has shown potential and that's why we also shouldn't trade him. Ducks also currently have 5 left handed defensemen on the roster, Walman doesn't have any value to them.
Ferraro > Walman is debatable but why do it? Walman plays well with Seider and is a good and cheap stop gap for Edvinsson. Why mess with that?
If Patrick Kane wants 5 years, we should stay far away. Could be still be good then? Sure. But the risk is much higher than the reward. Will it suck to see him play elsewhere? Yes. If he doesn't want to sign a reasonable deal then let him walk, it's not worth the cap implications of the future. Chicago wouldn't be trading for him either.

Does Trevor Zegras at all seem like an Yzerman player?

Ughhhh. Sure I’ll go with the first 10 that come to mind and cut myself off there
1. ANA has zero reason to trade Zegras unless they land an NHL ready LHC, for which they have only an 11.5% chance
2. ANA’s one an only RHD under contract is Gudas
3. Gudas has played so well for ANA he’s a legitimate (though not super highly likely) candidate for the C this offseason. He’s loved by every fan, player, coach, etc
4. The Ducks are loaded with middle 6 and bottom 4 D prospects. Their needs are 1RD and top 6 RW prospects. Not a single asset here is likely to fill any of those holes
5. Verbeek outright said he wants to push for playoff contention next year. A Zegras and Gudas trade is a huge step back, not to mention the best piece coming in being a draft pick that won’t meaningfully help the team for like 3 years
6. You had the gall to think Gudas is going to get RETAINED(!!) $2M for 2 more years
7. Undoubtedly the deepest position on ANA is LHD (Mintyukov, Zellweger, Lacombe, Vaak, Lageson, Hinds, Dionicio). You added 2(!!!) LHD
8. It’s already been widely reported that Yzerman wasn’t interested in Zegras
9. The rumors around Zegras in general were shut down months ago, because they were baseless to begin with. The dude who threw it out there is the same one who said definitively that Gibson played his last game in ANA.. at the end of last season. His argument was basically ‘Drysdale got traded, he’s buddies with Zegras, maybe Zegras is next’. The moment someone in the media actually dug in, multiple insiders shared ‘Verbeek was never looking to move Zegras, and has not once brought his name up in a trade discussion’
10. The quantity over quality approach doesn’t work when the opposing team actually has leverage. DET has plenty of pieces ANA would actually value (ASP, Danielson). If the Ducks tried to get Seider for a ‘25 1st, ‘26 1st, and a bunch of fillers, what would you think?

Fair, I also heard Konecny and Ristolainen might be on the table for a Zegras deal. I'm not sure what 2 1st round picks is worth, but just starting there, I think you'd be close to a fair trade with Philly.

Ferraro is a reliable shutdown D that can eat a bunch of minutes regardless of who his partner is. Walman is okay with Seider, but I think Edvinsson should be on the top pair. Ferraro would probably benefit from less minutes/wear and tear from physical play, and would be the perfect insulation to protect Sandin Pellikka. I think that would be a lot more utility with a top 4 of Edvinsson Seider, Ferraro SDP, than with Walman Seider, Edvinsson SDP.

Kane can be LTIRetired too if he starts to fall off. He has a legit issue that will likely only impede him more as he continues to play. They could also LTIR him and add some big fish at the TDL, just so Kane can be fresh for the start of the playoffs I think a lower AAV longer term contract might be the better route, especially with the cap going up.

I think there are potentially more reasons to trade him that you want to consider, but that's more of a mental block than a real reason to not trade him. I'd say his contentious contract negotiations is at least 1 reason...

I get all your stuff about Gudas, I figured every player you got was younger than Gudas, and on an expiring deal except Walman who has the same term as Gudas left. They can all be flipped for probably more than Gudas with retention, but since you guys expect to make the playoffs next season I can see why that wouldn't have much value... I look forward to the Ducks getting an additional 32+ points next season!

Anything reported about Yzerman's thoughts on a player is probably a lie unless you have a direct quote to reference or video of him saying it. He's kind of known for running a very tight ship.

Again 2 first round picks seems like more than what Chicago got for DeBrincat. That's a real trade that happened. I think your hypothetical about Seider doesn't help your argument, because while I'd certainly entertain ANA's next 2 first round picks for Seider, along with whatever you want to throw in, I'd have to do a bit more digging to see who's in this year's draft and next year's. Granted the main reason is ANA's next 2 1st round picks are quite a bit more valuable than Detroit's

Neither of those players from Philly we should target, our team isn't good enough to go big game hunting. Trading top prospects/ picks will shorten our window, which hasn't even been opened yet. I could maybe see a world where Risto is a target for cheap with a bit of retention but he's not that good.
I have no issue with Ferraro but Wallinder could be better than him by the end of next season. I do like how physical and defensive play though. I do believe we need to be more physical and better defensively.
Can't just LTIR a guy if he isn't hurt and he'll want to play if he can. I'm pretty sure he would be okay with a shorter term deal, he knows his situation.
This team is really frustrating as a fan. Rebuilds take so long and this one is no exception. If we start trading picks and prospects for aging players, we will never be a contender and just be doomed as a borderline playoff team.

The contract negotiations aren't a reason why he would be traded. Verbeek basically said he wants Zegras to be a better player away from the puck. Zegras mentioned that he is working on that. Once he improves there, he will likely get a big long term extension when this contract is up.
Yzerman, like Verbeek since they are buddies, likes two way players. That's why he drafted Danielson and Kasper.
Chicago got 7th overall plus more for Debrincat. Just "two first round picks" is not the same.