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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: Pasta88Sauce

lets not forget the Griffen Reinhart trade either. BOI that was BAD

he'll be a good player i think.

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Aug. 7, 2017 at 8:19 p.m.

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: Pasta88Sauce

lets not forget the Griffen Reinhart trade either. BOI that was BAD

he'll be a good player i think.

Whether Griffin Reinhart is "good" or not (he wont), Edmonton already lost that trade. Griffin Reinhart is already playing for a new team. One of many bad trades by Chiarelli

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Aug. 7, 2017 at 8:19 p.m.

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Garth Snow, Jim Benning,, Sakic, Bergevin will all be remembered as greats along with Mike Milbury, don't know what you guys are talking about

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Aug. 7, 2017 at 9:14 p.m.

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Quoting: phillyjabroni

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

he'll be a good player i think.

Griffen Reinhart is a bust. Derek Pulliot is a bust. Scott Laughton is a bust. Nail Yakupov is a bust.

These guys will never have any remembrance in the NHL other than "hey remember that bust named Griffin Reinhart?"

give him some time.

Aug. 7, 2017 at 9:15 p.m.

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Quoting: Pasta88Sauce

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

he'll be a good player i think.

Whether Griffin Reinhart is "good" or not (he wont), Edmonton already lost that trade. Griffin Reinhart is already playing for a new team. One of many bad trades by Chiarelli

yeah, and Nashville lost James Neal ... that means they lost that Pittsburh trade and Poile is a bad GM ... when those trades happened, they didn't know about the expansion draft.

Aug. 7, 2017 at 9:27 p.m.

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: Pasta88Sauce

Whether Griffin Reinhart is "good" or not (he wont), Edmonton already lost that trade. Griffin Reinhart is already playing for a new team. One of many bad trades by Chiarelli

yeah, and Nashville lost James Neal ... that means they lost that Pittsburh trade and Poile is a bad GM ... when those trades happened, they didn't know about the expansion draft.

that is nowhere on the level of trading a major asset for a bust.

James Neal for Patric Hornquvist and Nick Spalding. Spalding ins't part of an NHL organization and Hornquivst lost is line position to Sheary/Guentzel.

They didn't projected James Neal because Poile was a good GM and had Ekholm/Ellis/Josi locked up and had a great deal on Calle Jarnkrok.

Aug. 7, 2017 at 9:42 p.m.

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

yeah, and Nashville lost James Neal ... that means they lost that Pittsburh trade and Poile is a bad GM ... when those trades happened, they didn't know about the expansion draft.

Nashville leaves James Neal available to help the team financially. Edmonton leaves Reinhart available because he is dog ****. Completely different

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Aug. 7, 2017 at 9:55 p.m.

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Aug. 7, 2017 at 10:01 p.m.

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Can someone please explain to me how Ron Hextall is so far down the list(s)? Think about this : the best prospect in our pool when he took over was Taylor Leier. How is he not in the top 10?

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Aug. 7, 2017 at 10:15 p.m.

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Quoting: phillyjabroni

Can someone please explain to me how Ron Hextall is so far down the list(s)? Think about this : the best prospect in our pool when he took over was Taylor Leier. How is he not in the top 10?

Bad contracts have been a huge thing. Voracek and Giroux are signed to some heavy deals. Not to mention that he has had the same team thats been producing the same outcome for the past 4 years

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Aug. 7, 2017 at 11:19 p.m.

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Quoting: Rodzikhockey93

Quoting: phillyjabroni

Can someone please explain to me how Ron Hextall is so far down the list(s)? Think about this : the best prospect in our pool when he took over was Taylor Leier. How is he not in the top 10?

Bad contracts have been a huge thing. Voracek and Giroux are signed to some heavy deals. Not to mention that he has had the same team thats been producing the same outcome for the past 4 years

Bad contracts? Ron Hextall started on May 7th, 2014. Giroux signed on July 3rd, 2013, and its not even that bad of a contract. The Voracek deal is a great one. He is one of the best play drivers in the NHL. Everyone had a down year due to Murphy's Law.

With the cap space that we have, what the heck is he supposed to do? After the 2014 draft, the Flyers were ranked 27th by BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2108713-re-ranking-every-teams-prospect-pool-after-2014-nhl-draft). Now they are ranked 2nd by BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717853-ranking-the-top-10-nhl-prospect-pools-after-the-2017-draft).

In 3 years, he took one of the worst prospect systems, and build it into a top farm. Philippe Myers (UDFA) would have been a 1st round pick in 2016. Oskar Lindblom (5th round pick) top SHL player last season. Carter Hart (2nd round pick) CHL goalie of the year two years back (WHL Goalie of the Year back-to-back). German Rubstov, Morgan Frost, Isaac Ratcliffe, Travis Sanheim, , Felix Sandstrom are all Hextall picks. All very top prospects, some of them elite.

Aug. 7, 2017 at 11:57 p.m.

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Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:01 a.m.

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Quoting: phillyjabroni

Quoting: Rodzikhockey93

Bad contracts have been a huge thing. Voracek and Giroux are signed to some heavy deals. Not to mention that he has had the same team thats been producing the same outcome for the past 4 years

Bad contracts? Ron Hextall started on May 7th, 2014. Giroux signed on July 3rd, 2013, and its not even that bad of a contract. The Voracek deal is a great one. He is one of the best play drivers in the NHL. Everyone had a down year due to Murphy's Law.

With the cap space that we have, what the heck is he supposed to do? After the 2014 draft, the Flyers were ranked 27th by BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2108713-re-ranking-every-teams-prospect-pool-after-2014-nhl-draft). Now they are ranked 2nd by BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717853-ranking-the-top-10-nhl-prospect-pools-after-the-2017-draft).

In 3 years, he took one of the worst prospect systems, and build it into a top farm. Philippe Myers (UDFA) would have been a 1st round pick in 2016. Oskar Lindblom (5th round pick) top SHL player last season. Carter Hart (2nd round pick) CHL goalie of the year two years back (WHL Goalie of the Year back-to-back). German Rubstov, Morgan Frost, Isaac Ratcliffe, Travis Sanheim, , Felix Sandstrom are all Hextall picks. All very top prospects, some of them elite.

Your Philly bias is showing.

But, besides that point, you're right Philly has a great PROSPECT system. And that could lead to great results down the line. But he hasn't had much success at the NHL level. Yes, the Flyers slipped into the playoffs in 2016, but they were pretty quickly eliminated, and then missed again this year. They also let Mason (whom you've said is a top-flight golatender) walk on a mostly-reasonable contract. He also lucked into Patrick and signed Raffl and Weise to their current contracts.

He is a good GM (I have him 9th, a second-tier GM), but until we see some of the prospects have success on the ice, he doesn't deserve anything more than that, and anything from 8 to 18 is somewhat reasonable.

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Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:11 a.m.

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Quoting: phillyjabroni

Can someone please explain to me how Ron Hextall is so far down the list(s)? Think about this : the best prospect in our pool when he took over was Taylor Leier. How is he not in the top 10?

agreed ... he's top 10 for me.

Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:19 a.m.

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Quoting: phillyjabroni

Quoting: Rodzikhockey93

Bad contracts have been a huge thing. Voracek and Giroux are signed to some heavy deals. Not to mention that he has had the same team thats been producing the same outcome for the past 4 years

Bad contracts? Ron Hextall started on May 7th, 2014. Giroux signed on July 3rd, 2013, and its not even that bad of a contract. The Voracek deal is a great one. He is one of the best play drivers in the NHL. Everyone had a down year due to Murphy's Law.

With the cap space that we have, what the heck is he supposed to do? After the 2014 draft, the Flyers were ranked 27th by BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2108713-re-ranking-every-teams-prospect-pool-after-2014-nhl-draft). Now they are ranked 2nd by BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717853-ranking-the-top-10-nhl-prospect-pools-after-the-2017-draft).

In 3 years, he took one of the worst prospect systems, and build it into a top farm. Philippe Myers (UDFA) would have been a 1st round pick in 2016. Oskar Lindblom (5th round pick) top SHL player last season. Carter Hart (2nd round pick) CHL goalie of the year two years back (WHL Goalie of the Year back-to-back). German Rubstov, Morgan Frost, Isaac Ratcliffe, Travis Sanheim, , Felix Sandstrom are all Hextall picks. All very top prospects, some of them elite.

I wouldn't call Frost, Rubtsov or Ratcliffe "very top prospects"

Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:23 a.m.

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Quoting: krakowitz

Quoting: phillyjabroni

Bad contracts? Ron Hextall started on May 7th, 2014. Giroux signed on July 3rd, 2013, and its not even that bad of a contract. The Voracek deal is a great one. He is one of the best play drivers in the NHL. Everyone had a down year due to Murphy's Law.

With the cap space that we have, what the heck is he supposed to do? After the 2014 draft, the Flyers were ranked 27th by BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2108713-re-ranking-every-teams-prospect-pool-after-2014-nhl-draft). Now they are ranked 2nd by BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717853-ranking-the-top-10-nhl-prospect-pools-after-the-2017-draft).

In 3 years, he took one of the worst prospect systems, and build it into a top farm. Philippe Myers (UDFA) would have been a 1st round pick in 2016. Oskar Lindblom (5th round pick) top SHL player last season. Carter Hart (2nd round pick) CHL goalie of the year two years back (WHL Goalie of the Year back-to-back). German Rubstov, Morgan Frost, Isaac Ratcliffe, Travis Sanheim, , Felix Sandstrom are all Hextall picks. All very top prospects, some of them elite.

I wouldn't call Frost, Rubtsov or Ratcliffe "very top prospects"

well Rubtsov is pretty good, right?

Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:25 a.m.

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: krakowitz

I wouldn't call Frost, Rubtsov or Ratcliffe "very top prospects"

well Rubtsov is pretty good, right?

He's pretty good, but not a "very top prospect"

Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:26 a.m.

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Quoting: tadhockey

Your Philly bias is showing.

But, besides that point, you're right Philly has a great PROSPECT system. And that could lead to great results down the line. But he hasn't had much success at the NHL level. Yes, the Flyers slipped into the playoffs in 2016, but they were pretty quickly eliminated, and then missed again this year. They also let Mason (whom you've said is a top-flight golatender) walk on a mostly-reasonable contract. He also lucked into Patrick and signed Raffl and Weise to their current contracts.

He is a good GM (I have him 9th, a second-tier GM), but until we see some of the prospects have success on the ice, he doesn't deserve anything more than that, and anything from 8 to 18 is somewhat reasonable.

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Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:27 a.m.

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Quoting: krakowitz

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

well Rubtsov is pretty good, right?

He's pretty good, but not a "very top prospect"

wait 3-4 years... trust the process

Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:32 a.m.

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Quoting: tadhockey

Quoting: phillyjabroni

Bad contracts? Ron Hextall started on May 7th, 2014. Giroux signed on July 3rd, 2013, and its not even that bad of a contract. The Voracek deal is a great one. He is one of the best play drivers in the NHL. Everyone had a down year due to Murphy's Law.

With the cap space that we have, what the heck is he supposed to do? After the 2014 draft, the Flyers were ranked 27th by BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2108713-re-ranking-every-teams-prospect-pool-after-2014-nhl-draft). Now they are ranked 2nd by BleacherReport (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717853-ranking-the-top-10-nhl-prospect-pools-after-the-2017-draft).

In 3 years, he took one of the worst prospect systems, and build it into a top farm. Philippe Myers (UDFA) would have been a 1st round pick in 2016. Oskar Lindblom (5th round pick) top SHL player last season. Carter Hart (2nd round pick) CHL goalie of the year two years back (WHL Goalie of the Year back-to-back). German Rubstov, Morgan Frost, Isaac Ratcliffe, Travis Sanheim, , Felix Sandstrom are all Hextall picks. All very top prospects, some of them elite.

Your Philly bias is showing.

But, besides that point, you're right Philly has a great PROSPECT system. And that could lead to great results down the line. But he hasn't had much success at the NHL level. Yes, the Flyers slipped into the playoffs in 2016, but they were pretty quickly eliminated, and then missed again this year. They also let Mason (whom you've said is a top-flight golatender) walk on a mostly-reasonable contract. He also lucked into Patrick and signed Raffl and Weise to their current contracts.

He is a good GM (I have him 9th, a second-tier GM), but until we see some of the prospects have success on the ice, he doesn't deserve anything more than that, and anything from 8 to 18 is somewhat reasonable.

That's mainly because he hated splitting time w/ Neuvirth (somewhat Hakstall's fault). McPhee isn't better than him. Sweeny? what very poor (I'm talking levels of an albatross signing or a Dan Giradri) that Hextall has done?

German Rubstov is a very top prospect. Currently 34 on Button's prospect list, great 2-way player. not sure how you don't consider him top

My bias is showing because I am the only person here who has witness the terrible job Holmgren did and having seen Hextall draft very good prospects.

Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:33 a.m.

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Quoting: krakowitz

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

well Rubtsov is pretty good, right?

He's pretty good, but not a "very top prospect"

he should be a 50+ point scorer.

Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:37 a.m.

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

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He's pretty good, but not a "very top prospect"

he should be a 50+ point scorer.

I don't really care about the points. I care that he is going to be one of our best skaters, best 2-way LW/C in 3-4 years

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Aug. 8, 2017 at 12:39 a.m.

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Quoting: phillyjabroni

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

he should be a 50+ point scorer.

I don't really care about the points. I care that he is going to be one of our best skaters, best 2-way LW/C in 3-4 years

yes, he's likely gonna be a good 2-way player too.

Aug. 8, 2017 at 1:25 a.m.

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so is everyone just gonna ignore where i rank...?

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Aug. 8, 2017 at 1:35 a.m.

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